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06/30/20 07:56 PM #4843    


Jerry Ochs

You should have cried "feter" cheeky.  

Regarding WHHS, some people take comfort in being "with their own kind" but I prefer not to be.

Regarding Yiddish, I was a house guest in Hollywood in 1970 or so.  My host was a producer and comedy writer.  I bring this up because Carl Reiner passed away and through my host I was able to meet him along with Rob and their wives at a gallery opening.  During my stay, I learned more Yiddish than I could retain but I have managed to pass on a few useful words to my Japanese wife and our two sons.

07/01/20 12:21 AM #4844    


Philip Spiess

By not being in a high school fraternity (or sorority) at Walnut Hills (not that any of them would have necessarily accepted me -- especially the sororities), and happily associating with both Christian and Jewish friends, from a vareiety of suburbs, over my six years of high school (without thinking about the separatism of the groups at all), and not being (I think) connected with any social clique (but wait! was I a part of the theatrical clique?), I felt I was friends with a lot of different groups (not that I even thought of them as different groups).

And now -- happy circumstance! -- because of this Forum, I have not only connected with old friends, but I also have become acquainted with folks I didn't know all that well in high school -- because of mutual interests that we have expressed on this Forum.  Gott sei dankt!

[Steve Levinson:  What are the "neaties"?]

07/01/20 01:57 AM #4845    


Jerry Ochs


Don't you remember?  The Neaties were a Beatles tribute band. 

07/01/20 09:47 AM #4846    


Judy Holtzer (Knopf)

My Zionist friends and I called neighborhoods like Roselawn or Skokie (Chicago IL) "the golden gateless ghetto". Back in the 60s, this slogan made lots of sense to me. I refused to learn Yiddish because it was the language of the ghetto, the language of Jews who were meek and afraid and never fought back against their enemies. So Jews migrated to America, mainly to NY, where they formed their own enclaves into which "the other" seldom ventured, except, perhaps, for a great pastrami sandwich. The next generation spoke good English, got jobs outside the enclave, and moved to nice suburbs. They moved their families into the suburb onto their cousins, and behold! a golden gateless ghetto is formed.

I have no idea if the "Jewish sororities" came about this way, but commonsense tells me that they probably started because the Jewish girls who were sorority-minded were turned down by the established sororities because they were Jewish.

Contrary to the "yiddishkeit" that flourished even in the 60s in the golden gateless ghettoes, although I know nothing about the Jewish sororities, I rather doubt that there was anything inherently "Jewish" about anything that happened in them. I stand to be corrected if anyone wishes to correct me.

07/01/20 10:08 AM #4847    


Judy Holtzer (Knopf)

Jerry: Please help me out. I googled "neaties" with and without Beatles, and all I got were hangers.

07/01/20 05:40 PM #4848    


Steven Levinson

Phil, as far as I know, Danny Brown coined the term, at the pre-Beatles time that he did, out of whole cloth.  As usual, he hit the nail on the head.

07/01/20 07:35 PM #4849    


Gail Weintraub (Stern)

It is with profound sadness that I inform you of the passing of Mike Weiner this morning from complications of acute myeloid leukemia. May Mike's memory always be a blessing. RIP dear classmate.

I am posting exerpts from Mike's obituary on his 'In Memory' page. Please add your comments and memories of Mike on that page.

07/02/20 06:31 AM #4850    


Paul Simons

Sorry to hear about Mike Weiner passing. I wasn’t a close friend but I have a dim memory of lifting weights, maybe at Dana Cohen’s or Mark Kurtz’s place, friends through the music we were into. I was at the time the worst athlete on the planet and picking up a bar with weights on it was about all I was good for but I remember Mike accepting and encouraging me. He was a good guy then and from the posts here clearly a good man start to finish. Thanks Gail for posting the information and his own account of his condition. Rest In Peace Mike.

07/02/20 07:55 AM #4851    


Ann Shepard (Rueve)

I just looked at Mike's last post on Facebook, in late April, about his condition and decision about discontinuing treatment. He received many loving and supportive comments from his friends, a tribute to how special he was. 
We have lost yet another of the class of '64 and each passing reminds me of my own mortality.  While I'm still here, I just want to tell all of you how much I appreciate your friendship that has continued throughout the years. 


07/02/20 09:59 AM #4852    


Judy Holtzer (Knopf)

I was very sad to read about Mike Weiner. He seems to have had a good life, a full life, yet it is always too soon. 

I also want to echo Ann's comment. I cannot describe how much this forum has enriched my life, from sharing of phenomenal photos to reminiscing about fraternities to master sessions on slavery. I am touched by the level of caring shown by Gail and Ann, among others. We have really grown up! 

I just want to tell everyone before it gets taken for granted.

07/02/20 10:35 AM #4853    


Stephen Dixon


It was off that April Facebook post that Mike and I reconnected. First via Facebook messages and eventually via email. We were cancer buddies, although Mike was being much more hard-hit than I am at this point. I sent him a book which he hated! smiley

What a great guy! Terrific outlook and sense of humor all the way through his last laps.

I am thoroughly bummed this morning. But I will get it back. I have a terrific example to follow.

07/02/20 01:00 PM #4854    

Jon Singer

Whenever asked about male friends of my pre-Walnut youth, I rattled off what happily became my class of 64 playmates. Rather than an order that designated the "bestest", I've always placed them in geographic order, starting with the far out occupants east of Reading Road.  I can't tell you how many times I've replied with the order, "Weiner, Schloss, Steiner, Shapiro, Osher, Marks, Katona, Kreindler, Kanter, Bortz, Brower, and Mayerson." Every now and again I'd slip in the older/younger whiffle ballers, Goodman, Friedman, Sivitz, Kuby and Handler. It pains me to know that we all have lost another in our lineup. Mike, like the rest who were benched, will be with us forever.

07/02/20 01:47 PM #4855    


Ira Goldberg

Thank you for sharing what sounded inevitable short of a miracle for Mike. I'll never forget that last dance at our wonderful most recent reunion. He and his smile, moves on the floor, sharing the good times. Gone too soon. 

07/03/20 07:23 AM #4856    


Laura Reid (Pease)


So sorry to hear about Mike Weiner....such an all around nice guy.  I fondly remember his story about his search for lox and bagels in Fargo.  And thanks again to our "team" who keeps us connected through this forum.  We are so fortunate to be able to stay in touch and be updated about each much evident love and care for our fellow classmates.  We are all blessed to have each other.

Enjoy your holiday weekend with family and friends.


07/06/20 07:06 AM #4857    


James Schloss

Mike Weiner's passing has made me sit back and think about how fortunate I have been to have Mike as a friend. The quote, "The real test of friendship is can you do literally nothing with the other person? Can you enjoy those moments of life that are utterly simple"? comes to mind. My time with Mike over the years since graduation has all been at reunions. Each and every reunion we always met, sat down for awhile, and talked as if time had stood still. Mike was always genuinely interested in what was going on with my life, my family and yes, my golf game. From the days growing up on Marion Avnue to Mike growing up on Lenox Place, we just bonded. Mike was a gift to me, thank you Mike. 

07/06/20 09:51 PM #4858    


Jerry Ochs

Mike and I auditioned for the same part in Mary, Queen of Scots.  Was it ever performed or did the assasination of JFK force a cancellation?   I remember listening to a Reds home game on the radio as a tornado twisted its way up Vine Street.  They didn't postpone games due to imminent danger back then.  


07/07/20 12:22 AM #4859    


Philip Spiess

Jerry:  Of course it was performed (see the photograph on my profile).  I have never quite understood what happened during my performance:  I was Lord Morton, one of the contemptuous Scottish lairds who despised Mary of Scotland; in fact, I was the one who killed her Italian secretary, David Rizzio (off stage).  The night of the performance, when I lunged into the wings to "kill" him, I stepped back on stage with my sword drawn and it immediately hit me:  my sword is supposed to have blood on it, and no good soldier would ever resheath a bloodied sword.  So I immediately wiped the sword blade on my sleeve and then resheathed it.  To my horror, here at one of the most dramatic moments in the play, the audience broke into laughter (which really irritated Wayne Gregory).  To this day, I'm not sure why they laughed -- it seemed the most logical thing for me to do.  Maybe Johnny Marks can explain it?

Let me just add that Lynn Gehler (Levinson) as Mary of Scotland was regal as all get-out, and Mike Weiner as Bothwell was appropriate unto the part.

07/07/20 11:46 AM #4860    


Dale Gieringer

  Jerry -   Mary Queen of Scots was indeed called off on account of the assassination, much to my chagrin as I was very much looking forward to the cast party.   Sadly, it was postponed to the next day after the weekend of mourning, which happened to be a Tuesday.  We went through with the play on Tuesday evening, but you can't have a good cast party on a weekday.  Also, a couple pages of the play were skipped over because someone forgot their lines, cutting out one of my favorite lines.  I don't think anyone in the audience missed it.  I never watched the play straight through myself;  I thought it rather boring, but greatly enjoyed my own part, in which I opened the play by marching down the aisles playing the part of John Knox and loudly denouncing the dicing, games, whoring and other papistical uses of the flesh that were supposedly happening on-stage. 


07/07/20 06:49 PM #4861    


Steven Levinson

I know that Lynn Queen of Scots skipped whole pages of the script, having not rehearsed since the postponement, and screwed a lot of the cast out of great lines.  Dale, you were in good company.

07/09/20 12:18 AM #4862    


Jerry Ochs

I think Phil should have snapped his sword like a whip to throw off the blood, which is known as chiburi in Japan.

07/09/20 02:16 AM #4863    


Philip Spiess

Unfortunalely, there was actually no blood on the sword (being near-sighted, I missed the kid who was playing Rizzio, otherwise I would have had him), so a shake would have just looked like -- a shake!  (I prefer malts, myself).  "Mary of Japan" is a play I would really like to see.

[Which brings us to the subject of the Japanese "Noh" play.  If you've ever seen one, or even read the libretto of one, you know why they're called "no play."  Any comment, Jonathan Marks?]

07/10/20 11:30 PM #4864    


Jerry Ochs

I think it was Somerset Maugham who claimed the best thing about growing old is nobody expects you to jump off the high diving board.

07/11/20 12:53 AM #4865    


Philip Spiess

(Except suicides.)  If you know anything about Somerset Maugham, it's that he probably drank one too many Gin Pahits in his lifetime.

07/12/20 06:39 AM #4866    


Jerry Ochs

In an attempt to return to matters pertaining to our time at WHHS, I googled Mary, Queen of Scots and antisemitism.  I discovered the following.

The first recorded Jew in Edinburgh was one David Brown who made a successful application to reside and trade in the city in 1691.

In the Middle Ages, while Jews in England faced state persecution, culminating in the Edict of Expulsion of 1290 (some Jews may have moved to Scotland at this time) there was never a corresponding expulsion from Scotland, suggesting either greater religious tolerance or the simple fact that there wasn't a Jewish presence. In his autobiographical, Two Worlds: An Edinburgh Jewish Childhood, the eminent Scottish-Jewish scholar David Daiches wrote that there are grounds for asserting that Scotland is the only European country with no history of state persecution of Jews.

07/12/20 07:31 PM #4867    


Paul Simons

To further muddy the waters - they're already not only muddy, they're toxic, overheated, and ready to cut a giant iceberg loose in Antarctica - but when the matter of expelling Jews comes up I have something to say. When Christopher Columbus sailed to this continent he was the representative of Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand who had just finished expelling Spain's Jews, by The Alhambra Decree of March 31, 1492. Columbus left months after that, August 9,1492.

From an Associated Press file: "Columbus had two goals in the Caribbean: to find gold and slaves. Columbus returned home to Spain and came back to the Caribbean with 17 ships and 1,200 men. His men traveled from island to island, taking Indians as captives. In 1495, in a large slave raid, Columbus and his men rounded up 1,500 Arawak men, women, and children, and put them in pens. They selected what they considered the best natives and loaded them onto ships back to Spain. Two hundred died en route. After the survivors were sold as slaves in Spain, Columbus later wrote: "Let us in the name of the Holy Trinity go on sending all the slaves that can be sold."

I am not a fan of any of his activities, whether being in league with those who expel Jews or being an exploiter and slaughterer of indigenous peoples, so let the statues fall.

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