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01/16/19 11:59 AM #3827    


Gail Weintraub (Stern)

Jerry and Paul, while working and when I was ill, I would call IN sick. 

01/16/19 12:22 PM #3828    


Mary Vore (Iwamoto)

Some proper nouns, now used as verbs, that seem to have gained general acceptance - or at least, I use them (I may not have spent enough time at WHHS):

Google; Xerox; Vortex (a simple biology lab instrument used to dissolve or mix materials in liquids thoroughly by generating a vortex). 


01/16/19 05:27 PM #3829    


Jerry Ochs

Product placement fail(ure): On an episode of Hawaii Five-O, somebody said they would Bing a suspect's name. The online derision was widespread and prolonged.

In the UK, people hoover the carpet.  

Shall we move on to our inability to replace rolling up the car window and dialing the telephone?



01/16/19 06:44 PM #3830    


Philip Spiess

Jerry, Paul, and Gail:  You can't call IN(to) the office if the office is closed because it's a government office; there will be nobody there (not even the janitor) to answer the phones.  So your only alternative is to call OUT -- to your boss at his home, to the newspapers to complain, or just to CALL OUT FOR HELP!

Jerry:  It's interesting that the Brits picked up on the brand-name of the Hoover Vacuum Cleaner Company (a native business of Ohio), whereas the Americans didn't.  Maybe that is because many of them equated the product with Herbert Hoover, i.e., as President they thought he really sucked.  [N.B.:  I used to drive my Middle School students really crazy by asking them "What English word has a 'W' in it that doesn't have a 'W' in it?"  The answer, of course, is "vacuum."]  

Mary:  Although Google and Xerox are now regularly used as verbs, they follow in the grand tradition of Victrola, Kleenex, and Scotch Tape becoming household objects and words that transcended their original brand name in general usage.  The Cincinnati firm of Formica was also once one such, but Formica, as a product and a company, has now gone the way of, say, Rookwood Pottery. 

01/17/19 12:08 PM #3831    


David Buchholz

Some years ago the Santa Rosa City Council held a special meeting to expunge the word "prioritize" from their minutes, as someone on national TV had embarrassed them by calling attention to the "ize" that had begun to appear.  Now it's unavoidable.

01/17/19 02:28 PM #3832    

Thomas Lounds Jr.

Phillip, I would love to help you about George Remus, but my thinking about historical crime in Cincinnati extends only to my observances as a child (well before WHHS) living with my grandparents on the third floor of a tenement on Court Street (now a curve in I-75) in the ghetto of Cincinnati.  Actually, I had a couple of uncles, perhaps black versions of Remus.  One, known everywhere as "Cholly" who was a kingpin of gambling and prostitution on/of 6th Street.  The other, nicknamed " Cat-tail" actually blocked traffic on one of the bridges from Newport to Cincinnati as he fought the police over bringing liquor into Cincinnati.  Both tough dudes but to keep the record straight, both uncles were very good to me. Next to where we lived ,but on the first floor, was a bar, which we all called the " Bucket of Blood" where the late night entertainment from our third floor slit Windows --because of the slanted roofs--was always the arrival of the black Mariahs  loaded with police wielding their heavy nightsticks as they beat--excuse me-"arrested" those considered offenders.  Have I seen it?  You bet! 

Anne, I am sure your discovery was offsetting.  Recently, my daughter-in-law , whose mother was murdered, just discovered triplet brothers that were left behind at one of her fathers military stations.

Jerry Ochs.  More kvetching about language abuse.  Just read an Associated Press article about introducing some new model cars at the Detroit Auto Show.  Several "unveils" were made. 





01/17/19 02:47 PM #3833    


Ann Shepard (Rueve)

I shared with Judy that my description on my Facebook profile is: “Volunteer, outgoing introvert. Love family & friends.  Passionate about dogs. Was a dog in a former life.”

Here’s one of the accompanying pictures.  

01/17/19 08:45 PM #3834    


Philip Spiess

Mr. Lounds:  Important material for the historical record; these are the anecdotes that fill in the gaps.  But, although I can guess your approximate age, I'm not certain, nor do I want to be precipitate or inquisitive.  Can you give me a general idea of what years you're talking about?  (Love the bridge story! -- of course, cheap beer was still being brought into Cincinnati from Kentucky in my youth, I suppose perhaps illicitly -- by my grandfather, among others -- why else would he bother to go there?)  As to the nightstick beatings, well, we're all (i.e., I'm speaking of "whites") still learning about that "buried" history, and we're all of us still seeing worse on the nightly news today -- history not only repeats itself, but sometimes never changes.

Ann:  You're such a dog!

01/17/19 10:45 PM #3835    


Bruce Fette


I love that picture. What charming friends.



01/18/19 02:41 PM #3836    

Stephen Collett


Thanks to Tom Lounds for weighing in with the actuality of those times. Wow, there is a movie in that.

Alert friends, the shingles. I have just had a very tough five weeks and am still knocked out. I got it in the head -it always just does half the piece of the body. torso or legs or whatever. The thing is to start taking the anti-viral tabs wihin three days. But of course, one doesn´t know what one has before a week has gone. Grusome, in the eye and mouth and ear on the one side.



01/19/19 06:17 AM #3837    


Chuck Cole

Stephen, I'm so sorry to hear about your case of shingles.  My grandmother suffered from it. Fortunately for those of us who have not had, there is a new vaccine to prevent shingles that is supposed to be quite effective.  I don't know if it has an effect on those who have had the disease. 

As you probably know, the virus that causes shingles is the same one that causes chicken pox.  After chicken pox ends, the virus hides in neurons in a latent state, and different stimuli and stresss can cause it's reactivation, leading it to emerge from its hiding place and cause trouble.

01/19/19 09:06 AM #3838    


Ann Shepard (Rueve)

Phil:   SHE = female   PARD = ( the name of the male pedigreed Belgium Malinois, Pard de Alphaville Bohemia)

           SHE + PARD = BITCH 

Steve: So sorry that you have to experience the pain of shingles. The eye/head region is quite difficult.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the Zostervax vaccine I had about 7 years ago and the two-injection Shingrix vaccine I had last year will provide me some immunity. As Chuck mentioned, I remember my grandmother suffering from shingles, but, subsequently in recent years, have had friends describe their attacks.

For some reason, shingles is not limited to older people any more and has become prevalent among millennials. One of the young people I worked with had shingles. She's told me that several of her friends suffered too.

Hope you feel better my friend. 

01/19/19 12:51 PM #3839    


Dale Gieringer

  Ann -

    The shingles vaccine you (and I) got years ago is only about 50% effective.   The new vaccine you and Chuck mentioned, Shingrix, is over 80% effective.   I have a prescription for it in my wallet.  Unfortunately, the pharamacy has been unable to fill it because there's a nationwide shortage.  - Dale



01/19/19 02:57 PM #3840    

Thomas Lounds Jr.

Philip. Do not worry about being inquisitive.  Thank goodness you are, and, according to all of us, you wear it well. I am 80 years old and the times I was referring to were the late 40's when I had to be 8-10 years old, and even, a little younger to be able to recall the jam-packed Union Terminal during the war.  Yes, I saw a lot of the violence l described but one of my better recollections of those times was visiting/ shopping ( with Grannie) at the 6th Street Market.  The smells of the open air vegetable booths, the "barkers" , the giant fish and meat markets and the live chickens we brought home I can smell and hear even today.  Philip, do you have anything on the history of the Market? When and why did it go?  Urban renewal?  Sanitation problems? 

.  Stephen.  Perhaps it would make a good movie. The more important thing at this time is for you to get well soon.  It sounds as if you have suffered enough.  

01/19/19 07:27 PM #3841    


Jerry Ochs

Another outrageous use of a noun as a verb:

100 miles of border wall in exchange for amnestying millions of illegals.

01/19/19 07:28 PM #3842    


Philip Spiess

Mr. Lounds:  Years ago (call it the 1970s, because it was), I started a "building-type" photographic archive of Cincinnati buildings throughout its history, what I called "a genealogy of Cincinnati buildings."  I never finished it because I got married and suddenly my funds were going other places, as you may guess.  One of the building-types I concentrated on was markets, so I'm sure I have material on the 6th Street Market; of the five or six city markets that existed over time (run by the city, I believe), at least three were still around in my childhood in the 1950s, but of these only Findlay Market has survived, where I shopped with my Grandmother and Great-Grandmother (unless there are still remnants of the Court Street Market, on Court Street in front of the Hamilton County Courthouse and adjacent to Ferd Avril's Butcher Shop, still operating).

Unfortunately, my Cincinnati archives and library collection are "deep-sixed" at the back of our house's "library stacks" (as opposed to the Library itself), and it would take an archaeological expedition to unearth them.  But hope springs eternal!  I'm about to actually dive in there, as the wife of the director of the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra is hounding me to get at my Music Hall files, as she is doing tour histories and a restoration of Cincinnati Music Hall.  So I can probably dig out the Cincinnati markets files at the same time -- and we'll see where things go from there.

01/19/19 09:50 PM #3843    


Paul Simons

Jerry - I think we have plateaued in our analysis of the current deconstruction of the grammatical state. The next step is to launch an exploratory committee tasked with incentivizing the monetization of our efforts. I would be happy to collude with anyone pursuing a similar trajectory. I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from Virginia.

01/19/19 11:16 PM #3844    


Philip Spiess

I'll only say that, having once during graduate school roomed in an old lady's room-rental house where meals were "grab-as-you-can" off the communal table (no, I'm not referring to a Christian church setting) and available bathrooms were at a premium, I'm in favor of a "Boarder Wall."

01/19/19 11:33 PM #3845    


Philip Spiess

Mr. Lounds:  A short answer (for me) to your inquiry, as an addendum to my initial answer (a fuller answer may follow when I can get to my files):

While still thinking through my recollections of Cincinnati markets (after I had put my first response to you on this Forum, and having imbibed a "Calvados Cocktail" for inspiration), the memories (such as they were) came flooding back.  (However, I quickly squelched those memories of the Great Flood of 1937 on the Ohio River, which cancelled Walnut Hills High School mid-term exams for my mother, a sophomore at the time, and I went back to thinking about the Cincinnati markets.)

Point 1:  I said there were five or six city markets; I believe there were nine in toto at one time (I was thinking just of permanent market-houses, but there were some farmers' markets that appeared with regularity on certain streets at certain times also).

Point 2:  The downtown markets slowly closed as the automobile age inspired people to move to the hilltop suburbs from the downtown basin, and neighborhood business districts emerged and thrived, cutting into the old market economy of downtown.  I think of my suburb of Clifton (my father and grandmother on the other side of the family had started out in the "Over-the-Rhine" district, thus shopping at Findlay Market), where, in Clifton in the 1950s, there were two grocery stores -- later supermarkets -- two butcher shops, two drugstores, two "Five-and-Dimes", and so on, in a three-block section of Ludlow Avenue.

Point 3:  One market was closed down ostensibly for "reasons of public health."  This was the notorious wooden Fifth Street (Meat) Market (built 1829), an abattoir of the first order.  But the real reason the city destroyed it (1870) was to build Fountain Square and the Tyler Davidson Fountain (see the second last paragraph of my notes at Post #3001).

Point 4:  Once refrigeration as a matter of daily life arrived in the average home, first through "ice-boxes" (I remember an ice-house on Jefferson Avenue half way between Burnet Woods and Schiel School, right where Clifton became Corryville) and then through refrigerators, most people stopped shopping on a daily basis at local markets, usually buying their food about once a week (per family budget).

Point 5:  Your inquiry initially confused me, because my memory said that the "Sixth Street Market" was the "Jabez Elliot Flower Market" (built in 1890 on Sixth Street between Elm and Plum Streets), unique among the Cincinnati markets because it sold only flowers, whereas you had mentioned that you remembered chickens and slabs of meat (including the smells!) and such being sold there.  But then I remembered that there was another Sixth Street Market-House (a.k.a. "Western Market," built in 1895 on Sixth Street between Plum Street and Western Row, in an incredible Flemish style by the best Cincinnati architectural firm of the era, Samuel Hannaford & Sons).  My notes tell me that it was unheated (so probably also unrefrigerated? -- the earlier markets kept their produce cold in the basements of nearby local breweries) and had 64 indoor stalls (i presume that, like Findlay Market, it also had some outside stalls -- hence the "barkers").  It was razed in 1960 to make way for the Sixth Street ramp onto the Mill Creek Expressway (I-75).

[P.S.:  Yes, I did find some available notes that helped me fill out my "memories" here, but if I get to my files anytime soon, I'll do a complete run-down of all of Cincinnati's markets (most of which were run-down).]

01/20/19 09:01 AM #3846    


Paul Simons

Steve Collett - one of the fellas who also swims some laps at the Y here has shingles and describes the same one-side-of-the head experience that you do. He seems to have a remedy that ameliorates his particular condition. I'll get whatever info I can next time I run into him. He also swims at an outdoor township pool in summer and wears a latex cap specifically to shield the sensitive area of his head from sunlight.

Re: urban markets - here in Philly we have a great one, the Reading Terminal Market. They have everything including my favorite, real gyro sandwiches the basis of which are slices from a rotating cone of meat surrounded in part by heating elements. I never saw that in Cincinnati.

On the transformation of rail terminals into markets and museums - I would like to see rail terminals returned to use as rail terminals. An uphill battle - rail is energy efficient, environmentally beneficial, attributes which are frowned upon by those currently in charge of energy efficiency and environmental protection.

01/20/19 10:22 AM #3847    


Judy Holtzer (Knopf)

To Dave: You mentioned trying to eliminate the word prioritize, which started me wondering....

How long has the word "deputize" been around, let alone "minimize"? Familiarize? Wow, on a roll that I'd better shuck off quickly if I'm going to get anything else done today!

01/20/19 01:23 PM #3848    

Stephen Collett

At our last reunion I sat with Ray Morton on the Saturday bus tour of Cinti and heard a lot of good stories from him. Particularly about the 6th St market, where he had various connections, like as a young fellow selling bags to shoppers. Is Ray on here?


01/20/19 02:14 PM #3849    


Bruce Fette

Phil and others of similar interest,

I do remember my Grandmother taking me to the open air market when I was extremely young. My recollection is that it was somewhere between 6th and 12th and somewhere near Plum. I also remember her taking me to IGA supermarket in Clifton. I was so young that we must have taken a bus or maybe a trolley back to College Hill. It was certainly before my Grandfather bought the 58 buick.

As for why people moved to the burbs, I am absolutely certain that Grandmother wanted to get away from where the flood came in Northside. And College Hill was perfect for that. Way too high for a flood to get there. As your data base undoutedly remembers, the flood went up MillCreek to Northside. That must have been absolutely horrible given Millcreek's history.

As for negotiations, I would sure love to hear the DACA folks get amnesty, not just a 3 year repreive, and sure like to hear much more about humane treatment to all fleeing the many problems around the world.





01/20/19 02:52 PM #3850    


Dale Gieringer

   Another notable colloquial neologism is the use of "like" to introduce a thought. For example:  As soon as the bikers entered the bar, we were like, "Let's get out of here pronto."   I'm not even sure how to classify this as a part of speech.    
    A useful expression that has come into currency is "whatever" as a one-word indicator of indifference.  We hear it all the time from our daughter.  I've come to use it often myself, though I have to admit it can be rude.
     One new development irks me above all others: the gross overusage of  f***,  f***ing, f***er, etc.  as (take your pick)  adjective, adverb, expletive, or noun.  It's a poor excuse for not finding a more colorful mot juste.  Whatever happened to d*mn, darn, dang, drat, doggone,  gosh-darn, accursed, infernal,  blasted, blankety-blank?  I never heard the word "f***" until the sixth grade, and never in family settings.  As I recall, we rarely used it at WHHS except in dirty jokes and certainly never in classroom.  I remember being admonished by Wilma Hutchinson for using "damned" in an essay.   Now f***ng  is everywhere with the ascendancy of cable TV.   Some years ago there was a TV western called Deadwood, which was critically praised for its authentic, gritty portrayal of the Old West.   Every other line in the show had an f-word in it.   I turned it off in disgust.   No way is that how folks spoke in the 19th century.  More likely they used the n-word, which is now verboten.   Of course, we don't really know how they spoke in the 19th century, since there were no recordings, and Victorian editors were notoriously prudish in censoring foul language.  But they censored words far less offensive than what we use today.  F*** was the number one most unprintable four-letter word during our youth,  even up to the end of the 20th century.  I can't remember ever hearing it spoken by anyone in my grandparents' generation.  And I don't care to hear it again, except in historical portrayals of how witless people spoke in the early 21st century.   Godd*mn it all!




01/21/19 10:01 AM #3851    


Paul Simons

Today is MLK day and for those interested this is a link to a 25 minute interview with King on the TV show "Meet The Press". It shows among other things the kind of resistance he had to deal with even from supposedly intelligent informed people.

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