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06/19/19 11:57 PM #4126    

 

Philip Spiess

Okay, Jerry, I'll bite at your picture caption:  "Two of the faces that never made it onto Mount Rushmore."


06/20/19 02:55 AM #4127    

 

Jerry Ochs

How about: Cagney & Lacey Season 45


06/23/19 12:24 AM #4128    

 

Philip Spiess

Hmm.  I was hoping to post, as a memorial to Mike Hunting, who loved mushrooms, his favorite mushroom recipe, which he had posted to me on his "Classmate Profile" on this site -- but it appears that, once one is deceased, all memory of that person -- profile, several years of comments, pictures, etc. -- is erased, and only "In Memory" comments exist.  While I appreciate the "In Memory" comments, I think it would be advantageous to keep our classmates' "Profiles" on this site as a true memorial of what they did, and thought, and commented on -- and how we responded back.


06/23/19 01:17 AM #4129    

 

Jerry Ochs

Phil et al.: At the bottom of the In Memory page there is a link to Mike's profile pages.


06/23/19 04:07 PM #4130    

 

Philip Spiess

Thanks (but so far I still haven't found the comment I'm looking for).


06/23/19 05:15 PM #4131    

 

Bruce Fette

I wish to agree with Phil. It is very unfortunate to loose all of the information about our good friends from WHHS except for a postage stamp photo when they pass. I would love to see the profiles remain available in some fashion.


06/24/19 11:38 AM #4132    

 

Larry Klein

Phil, Bruce, etal,

I believe our profile history is not "lost" In Memoriam.  It is merely compressed and stored.

As Jerry pointed out, you can access the original profile page by clicking the link at the bottom of the In Memoriam page. Once on the original profile page, you will see the most recent comments/posts for each "thread" in the profile.  These can be expanded to see the historical comments by clicking a link near the top of each thread which says "click to see (25) previous comments", eg.

Phil, if you can recall the general thread where you saw the comment you're looking for, you should find it by clicking that link.  Might take some poking around in several threads to find your specific comment, but not to worry - you can't break anything in there. I haven't (yet), and that's a minor miracle in itself.  Happy "hunting' (pun intended).


06/24/19 08:52 PM #4133    

 

Paul Simons

Tomorrow morning I'm heading towards Cincinnati for a few days. It's been too long since White Castles and the Coney Island pool. And now there's a new attraction - hummingbirds, lots of them, were flying around the Ault Park gardens last time I was there in summer. This time maybe I can get a photo.


06/24/19 10:31 PM #4134    

 

Bruce Fette

I wish I could join in a bag of W.C.s too.  And it has been sooo looong since I went to Coney.   Have a great time!  Take plenty of pics so we can enjoy a digital based memory of everything Cincy!

 


06/24/19 11:54 PM #4135    

 

Philip Spiess

Thanks, Jerry and Larry (oh, god!  it rhymes!) for your assistance.  Once I learned that there was a connection at the bottom of the "In Memory" page, it helped solve my "complaint" problem; but I thought that the comments I was looking for were made early on (circa 2014-2015) and on Mike's "Profile" page, somewhere below the picture of him with the big tray of morel mushrooms, since that's what he and I were chatting about.  But I'll keep looking.

Paul:  The last time I was in Alms Park -- and this was years ago -- all I saw (aside from the Stephen Foster statue, the Ohio River, Lunken Airport, and the former Wine Press house) was a dead rabbit, smeared in the middle of the road near the entrance gates.  (And, yes, I got a photo of it.  At the time I was photographically documenting what we call in the historic preservation trade "street furniture," "commercial archeology," "urban scale," "townscapes," and other items for a slide lecture I did for years called "Reading the City as Cultural Document."  The rabbit, of course, counted as "roadkill," a victim of the intersection, as it were, between the natural world and the human-induced environment.)


06/25/19 05:19 AM #4136    

 

Paul Simons

Thanks Bruce and Phil - the idea of taking a few Cincinnati photos - terrific, will do. Good to be on a mission, not just lollygagging out the turnpike to get some White Castles.

About roadkill - last time I almost was the roadkill. One rainy night - last October - driving out I-75 from downtown to the motel in Sharonville in the center lane and some absolute idiot slowed and then came to a dead stop. Traffic flying by on either side. I was frantically pumping the brakes to make the brake light flash, laying on the horn, looking in the rearview, seeing cars coming at me and then Praise The Lord veering off, finally a break in the traffic, and I got around him. Then he starts up again but I was gone, free, alive. They're crazy in Ohio in more ways than one.


06/25/19 07:16 AM #4137    

 

Jerry Ochs

The U.S. army has bases in Japan and the commisaries sell frozen White Castle cheeseburgers in a 16-burger box.  I don't know about the other services.


06/26/19 06:11 PM #4138    

 

Paul Simons

But where are the hamburgers??

 


 


06/26/19 09:28 PM #4139    

 

Paul Simons

But wait!! There's more!!


06/27/19 09:09 PM #4140    

 

Paul Simons

Some have expressed an interest in a few photos from Cincinnati so - but what's with the International Critter? What does it mean?

Before that, Ault Park -

 


06/28/19 09:58 PM #4141    

 

Paul Simons

A few photos from the Clifton area of Cincinnati -

And after a hot day taking photos -

 


06/28/19 10:30 PM #4142    

 

Bruce Fette

Paul, and many others,

The chili makes my mouth water even though its just a picture.

The empty WC burger boxes - I suspect that they jumped out of those boxes and straight into you.

And many other spots that we love.

Great memories. Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 


06/29/19 01:41 AM #4143    

 

Philip Spiess

Paul:  Thanks for the wonderful photos.  I have no idea what the International Critter statue is, but I see Porkopolis pigs at the base, the international flags, and a stack of flapjacks up top.  Syrup-titiously I'd say that "Sugar 'n' Spice" is trying to make some sort of statement.

Of course, Clifton was my old home base; I published a modest history of it in 1965.  So, since you have such a lovely photograph of the Mount Storm Park pergola, let me remind folks of its history:  The "Mount Storm" estate was the home of Robert B. Bowler, a prominent (and successful) dry goods merchant in downtown Cincinnati.  He built an impressive Italianate mansion (I have photographs of it in my collection) at the westen end of Lafayette Avenue; it had no less than two drawing rooms, one facing east and one facing west; one was French Louis Quatorze in style, while the other was more restrained and (what was then) modern in style.  It is said that, on the night Mr. Bowler and his family were to move into this new home, a tremendous thunder and lightning storm took place, which, coming from the west, would have hit this Clifton hillside head-on; hence, Mr. Bowler named his new establishment "Mount Storm."  (Robert Bowler was killed at a fairly young age in a carriage accident in downtown Cincinnati near the beginning of the 20th century, and his estate was eventually ceded to the Cincinnati Park Board, the house being torn down.  However, the carriage house/stables still exist as, I'm told, a caretaker's house, down the hill to the south of the parking lot.)

The Graeco-Roman pergola which Paul has so nicely captured on film supposedly is (or was) the capstone to an underground reservoir which supplied water to Mr. Bowler's seventeen greenhouses.  It is said that the then Prince of Wales of Great Britain, Albert Edward (a.k.a."Bertie"), son of Queen Victoria and much later King Edward VII, gave a short speech from the pergola when he visited Cincinnati circa 1867 (frankly, I'm not sure that date squares up with the date when the Bowler place was established).  Nevertheless, it makes a pretty story, and, when told it as a child living just down the hill on McAlpin Avenue, I pondered what a Prince of Whales must look like!  Adjacent to the pergola is a small, abrupt hillock, almost like a short, sharp Indian mound, which, if inspected, will be found to have three sides of it sealed up with concrete.  My grandmother told me that this was a small (apparently natural) cave which you used to be able to go into; my researches told me that it served as Mr. Bowler's wine cellar.  However, evidently some child hit his or her head on the rock ceiling in (maybe) the 1940s and was killed [?!], and so the Cincinnati Park Board sealed it up.

I've mentioned elsewhere in these pages what a wonderful sled-riding hill exists south of the parking lot, just west of the pergola and cave, so I won't go into that again.  What I will mention is that the sloping (and rather deserted) hill just west of the park's Shelterhouse and refreshment stand (almost always closed) was nearly perfect for flying kites in March and early April (if you could keep the kites out of the trees).  It was also where my family watched Sputnik go over in October of 1957.  The asphalt path at the side of the hill goes down to connect with Ludlow Avenue near Trechter Stadium, where nearly all of our WHHS football games were played (if it's still there, which I think it isn't), the site of which had been a major supply reservoir and boat turn basin for the Miami & Erie Canal, which was covered over in 1925 by the building of Central Parkway (which terminates at its northern end at the foot of Mount Storm).


06/29/19 08:24 AM #4144    

 

Paul Simons

First thanks for your kind words Bruce. I got lost looking for Camp Washington Chili which you had mentioned previously - maybe I'll find it today. Traffic is horrendous in this town and 75 is permanently an obstacle course and the obstacles are other cars. Speaking of that - Phil thank you for the history and it must be said Mr. Bowler's death in a traffic accident albeit carriage traffic rings true to the way people here drive today. Last time some idiot stops in front of me on 75 for no reason almost sending me to Spring Grove cemetery in a pine box. Today I see my right front wheel cover is damaged.

About the gaslight - there are lots of them. I did a bit of research on the term "to gaslight" which is from the movie "Gaslight" and it means to twist and falsify someone to others and to himself or herself. In the movie the husband did that to his wife. There are gaslighters around today, and I'd like to literally gaslight one of them. I was never much of a baseball player but I can imagine taking a full swing with one of those street lamps. Actually that would be hard, they must weigh a couple of hundred pounds each.

Also the description of concentrated wealth is, was, and always will be current. Those residences on those streets in Clifton, also Hyde Park - people really know how to do things right, to create beauty around themselves, when they have the money - loads of money.


06/29/19 05:10 PM #4145    

 

Paul Simons

These were taken thanks to Bruce Fette's suggestion. You can get there by just taking the Hopple St. overpass or viaduct, however a real Cincinnati resident would name it, or you can go down Spring Grove looking for Colerain and Arlington or Monmouth or Bates which is what I did. It took 4 attempts but I got here.


06/29/19 05:30 PM #4146    

 

Bruce Fette

Paul, 

Thanks for Camp Washington. Now we need a GoldStar to make the search complete!

Not included in Phil's overview of Mt. Storm is that Dave Ransohoff and the ham radio club, Irv Crandall, and Clark Ross, and several others that I cant remember, participated in a Field Day excersize setup there on Mount Storm. We transmitted and listened throughout the night as if there had been a national emergency.  Field Day excersizes continue, there was one last weekend.

He also did not mention that Sally Fox lived up there. Nevertheless, Phil has an astonishing overview of everything!

Happy Fourth to all, or maybe add one to that for Phil!

 

 

 


06/30/19 12:41 AM #4147    

 

Philip Spiess

To Paul and Bruce and All Those of You Who May Have Missed It:

Last year this book was drawn to my attention:  The Authentic History of Cincinnati Chili, by Dann Woellert (Charleston, S. C.:  American Palate, 2013; 175 pp.); it's also apparently available as an e-book.  In addition to covering all of the major names and brands of Cincinnati chili (and some minor ones as well), the book presents a chart of "The Cincinnati Chili Family Tree," showing how all of the chili parlors were spawned from the original Empress Chili Parlor.  (The one thing missing from the book is my Grandmother Goepp's "Cincinnati Chili con Carne" recipe, a dish which graced many a Sunday supper or picnic trip to Coney Island in my youth.  It was also served at many an Office of Museum Programs staff party at the Smithsonian Institution in the 1980s, and still does regular service in the Spiess family at family suppers, cabin overnights, meals for unexpected guests, etc. -- it goes great with homemade garlic bread!)

[Note to Bruce:  Sally Fox lived at the westernmost end of Lafayette Avenue, where it debouches into McAlpin Avenue, below Mount Storm Park.  And, yes, I'll have a Fifth on the Fourth!]


07/02/19 01:23 PM #4148    

 

Dale Gieringer

       For those of us who think we've seen everything in Cincinnati, there's  a fascinating new tourist guidebook, "Secret Cincinnati:  A Guide to the Weird, Wonderful and Obscure," by Kathryn Witt.  It lists dozens of attractions I never heard of before:  the American Sign Museum, the Berhringer-Crawford Museum, the Lucky Cat Museum, Jane's Saddlebag Whine Shop, the Party Source Spirits and Liquor Library, the Cincinnati Aviation Heritage Museum, the Old Ludlow Incinerator, Bobby Mackey's Music World, etc.   The book is on sale at the Harriet Beecher Stowe house on Gilbert Ave, which has reopened but in the process of restoration.

 

 

 


07/04/19 01:56 AM #4149    

 

Philip Spiess

Wow!  What can I say, Dale!  I'll have to look it up!

Meanwhile, an historical note on the Cincinnati Gas Lights (another of Paul's great pictures, from Lafayette Avenue in Clifton):

Although I grew up with the gaslights on many of the streets in Clifton -- Lafayette, Middleton, Morrison Avenues, and Lyleburn and Wirham Places, among others (the lights of which, I am convinced, turned me into the dyed-in-the-wool Victorian I still am today), other suburbs have them as well:  Hyde Park (St. Charles Place, Zumstein, Burch, and Astoria Avenues, for example); North Avondale (e.g., Rose Hill and Marion Avenues); the Kennedy Heights/Pleasant Ridge area (e.g., Dryden Avenue and Kimberley Court); and East Walnut Hills (e.g., Keys Crescent).  Other suburbs are dotted with them as well:  Walnut Hills, College Hill, Fairmount, Mount Lookout, and Roselawn.  As of April, 1977 (when I did the research for my 1978 book, The Industrial Archeology of Cincinnati, Ohio:  A Guide for S. I. A. Tourists [i.e., the Society for Industrial Archeology], 1978), there were 1,117 gaslights remaining on about 170 residential streets in Cincinnati, but every so often, on petition by residents, a few more get removed and replaced by electrical fixtures.

The gas lighting of Cincinnati streets was first introduced into Cincinnati in 1841, with the gas originally controlled by the Cincinnati Gas, Light & Coke Co. (now the Cincinnati Gas & Electric Co.).  In 1875, maintenance service of the gaslights was established by the Globe Light Co., at a cost of $29 per lamp per year; by 1879, there were 6,000 gas lamps in Cincinnati.  Many of the cast iron poles are marked with the name  and patent date of the manufacturer.  Some of the poles are relatively plain; some have winding ivy cast into them; some still have the cross-arm supports for the lamplighter's ladder -- at least eight different styles of lamp posts remain in use.  Some lamps will be seen to have a circular black metal disc hung from one side of the shade; this disc could be purchased by an adjacent homeowner, who hung it on the lamp to keep the light from shining in through a bedroom window.  Around the turn of the century, suburbs on the outskirts of the city, such as Oakley and Montgomery, had naptha lamps which were being serviced by the Sun Vapor Street Light Co.

The currently existing gaslights were all furnished with the Welsbach gas lamp burner in the 1890s (mostly around 1895).  Welsbach, an Austrian, had invented a superior type of gaslight mantle and glass-enclosed burner that prevented the wind from blowing out the light, as so often happened.  Some of the original patents indicate that most of the Welsbach burner development was done in the 1880s and 1890s.  The Welsbach Gas Light Co., now the Welsbach Lighting Products Co., was founded in 1877 as the Pennsylvania Gaslight and Globe Co.  For 98 years it was located in Baltimore, Maryland; it now resides in New Haven, Connecticut.  The Cincinnati-style gaslight became a trademark fixture of the company's; it was not made before 1890.

Until about 1966, Cincinnati's gaslights were equipped with automatic dimmers, small brass clocks attached to each lamp's gas valve; these automatically turned down the gas during the day and turned it up again at night.  They were wound every few days by employees of the Welsbach Gas Light Co., on contract with the city to maintain the lights; Welsbach employees had regular routes of daily rounds, checking, cleaning, and repairing the lamps and winding the clocks.  The clocks were finally removed to save the city the cost of the clock-winding service and -- irony of ironies -- to burn more gas!  Now [1978] with a gas shortage, the city would like to reinstall an automatic dimmer device!  The Welsbach Gas Light Co., however, left Cincinnati in 1972.

Cincinnati's gaslights are now maintained [1978] by the Cincinnati Gaslite Co. (616 Delhi Ave., Cincinnati), which is under contract to the city.  It is paid $47.65 per lamp per year for this service; company employees make regular rounds, washing the globes, about 99% of which are now made out of polyethylene plastic, rather than glass (this was obviously not the case in 1962, when I was learning to drive:  I was dropping off our classmate Rob St. John at his home at the end of Lyleburn Place in Clifton, and, backing up to turn around, I heard a sudden sound of falling glass -- I had bumped into the cast iron post of the gaslight at the end of the street, and its glass shade -- perhaps already broken? -- had come crashing down), once every sixty days, and doing other maintenance.  The city itself now stockpiles replacement parts, and the Cincinnati Gas & Electric Co. bills the city for the gas used by means of an estimate based on "the laws of physics, the size of the orifice, and the gas pressure"; the bill is currently [1978] $73,000 a year.

For years there has been an ongoing struggle to save the Cincinnati gaslights.  (This has perhaps now ended, as a number of areas of Cincinnati, such as Clifton, are now designated as "Gaslight Districts.")  In 1959, the city first considered assessing property owners on gaslit streets for the difference between the cost of their lighting and that of standard electrical lighting; the city currently [1978] claims this difference is $66,000 per year.  The city's official policy [1978] on removal is that a majority of residents on any given block rules as to whether the lamps go or stay.  In 1978 many of the various local neighborhood councils and associations were fighting to save the lights, which would otherwide have been replaced by mercury vapor electric lights on ordinary wooden poles with overhead wires, or by boulevard lamps, glass globes on metal poles with underground wiring.  Defenders of the gaslights claim that their undeniable aesthetic charm adds to the desirability of residential areas that have them, which results in higher property taxes that offset the gaslights' operating costs; those who wish to see the gaslights replaced think that they are great wasters of needed energy resources, and that crime is higher (or at least the potential for crime is higher) in gaslit areas because of darker streets at night.  There is no hard data at present to support the claims of either side.  As of my writing in 1978, there was a move afoot to place all of the gaslights on the National Register of Historic Places (this has probably now been done, via historic districts, such as Clifton), but also as of my writing in 1978, the matter could well have become moot, as there was a bill at that time before the Ohio General Assembly (then already passed by the Ohio House of Representatives) designed to outlaw gaslights altogether!

Anyone care to update this?


07/05/19 09:09 AM #4150    

 

Paul Simons

First many thanks Phil for the full and fascinating research on this most important technology. The only thing I can add in the way of updating is that I don't see any new public lighting being installed anywhere that isn't LED lighting. The increase of white LED power in the past few years has been phenomenal. Let us pray and act in such a way that this type power increase becomes restricted to LED's.

One more photo - Cincinnati seems to excite nostalgia, there's even a web page about it - http://www.city-data.com/forum/cincinnati/105963-mid-century-reading-road.html

But anyway, the photo - the Burnet Woods concrete slide - no fossil-fuel or high-tech renewable energy required, powered by gravity -

 


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