Bruce Fette

Way To Rock Paul!

As for UFOs, etc, 1) a 4 year flight may seem impractical to us humans, but nothing for a drone, and perhaps nothing for living creatures with different evolutionary history. 2) As I have said before, living creatures on different planets in different solar systems may experience different forms of physics and therefore have developed a broader understanding and experience, and 3) perhaps the intelligent life forms on different planets in different solar systems could well have focused their energies on more useful and constructive technologies and less on war and greed 4) Seems to me that when we observe acceleration that seems impractical to us, it just means that we are observing mastery of a technology most of us humans are not familiar with.

Paul Simons

Bruce I like you and admire the work you've done and I disagree with everything you say except that we human beings have wasted our lives and resources making war on one another. But to your other subject - the physics we have developed account for just about everything from the interactions of subatomic particles to the life cycle of stars and the motion of galaxies. No we don't have it all clear on dark matter and Einstein's search for a grand unified theory is not satisfied but for beings to transcend constants like the speed of light and the force of gravity you need a different universe. Michio Kaku says our universe is just one member of a multiverse but where is the next one, if ours is infinite? Oh right, a wormhole. What's the difference between science and science fiction? One of them is fictional.
 

About the 4 1/2 year journey - that's what it takes light to make the trip from Alpha Centauri. Light and life or aircraft are not the same thing or you'd need to be in a tank made out of 800 tons of titanium to go sunbathing. Sorry and still friends I hope.

Barbara Kahn (Tepper)

Did I miss something about needing new passwords? 

Anyway, no bragging or new romances here. 53rd anniversary this week. 

I still babysit for the littlest members of the family but not as much as I did for the older grandkids.  Life is different now.  All the kids are now familiar with remote learning except the baby and she needs to get used to seeing strangers because she is afraid of new people. 

I still love my flower garden and all the beautitful colors that emerge from the bulbs I planted around the yard. I read more than ever but now it's mostly mysteries but nothing that will give me nightmares. There is such a thing as cozy mysteries.  

As for politics - I am still active but behind the scenes. As a liberal Democrat I cannot wait until we turn this world right side up again. 

Thank you for that video reminder Paul that you're only as old as you feel and act.  I loved it and keep on playing! 

Ann Shepard (Rueve)

On June 11, I was reminiscing about our last in person reunion, when a few pictures form our VIRTUAL 50th reunion in 2014 appeared in my Facebook memories timeline.  I had pictures of me wearing my freshman beanie, choir key and class ring, an a black and white picture (from the Remembrancerj from the cast picture at the finale of The Peanuts of '62!  (attached).  I really enjoyed the virtual reunion.  As I recall, watched it while talking to Ira Goldberg 
I wrote this on on Facebook: 

Two years after the WHHS class of ‘64 celebrated their 50th year class reunion VIRTUALLY (in this memory from 2014), the class held their traditional BIRTHDAY BASH in-person in CIncinnati in 2016, the LXX Reunion. At that time, we scheduled our next in-person reunion for 2021, as a 3/4 reunion (.75) BIRTHDAY BASH. Unfortunately, due to the pandemic, we will have to wait until 2022 to celebrate our 75+1 BIRTHDAY BASH in Cincinnati. Thanks to those who had the vision to develop the class website and keep it up all these years, we have been able to stay connected. Who could have imagined back in 2014, that VIRTUAL meetings would become so commonplace in 2020. 
Class of ‘64, continue to “sursum ad summum”.  I will always keep dear in my memories those we have lost since our last reunion. Looking forward, God willing, to seeing you again next year, June 11-12, 2022. 
GO EAGLES!

Judy Holtzer (Knopf)

For Barbara Tepper and other readers who would like some whimsy in their life, I'd like to recommend a book By Alix Harrow called The Once and Future Witches. Yes, it's about witches, but I doubt that it will give you nightmares. She wrote another whimsical book, her first book, entitled The Ten Thousand Doors of January. I started it, then gave it to my son to read, so I cannot report on it. My son said it was excellent, though. 

If anyone knows of other witch books, good ones, I would appreciate knowing. Books about fairies also acceptable.

Dale Gieringer

To Paul and fellow humble earthlings -  

      "The greater the island of human knowledge, the vaster the shore of human ignorance."    Our earth is just 4.6 billion years old in a galaxy with millions of stars over 12 billion years old.  Modern human science is less than four hundred years old.   Surely there are innumerable civilizations thousands, millions or even billions of years more advanced than ours.  That's more than enough time for them to have made contact with our planet using technology far beyond our current understanding.   Remember, it's less than 150 years that we've even been aware of invisible electromagnetic radiation, let alone relativity, radioactivity, quantum mechanics or nuclear forces.  For us to dismiss interstellar travel as unfeasible is like a Roman engineer dismissing a flight to Mars.  IMHO, the recognition that UAP's are out there supports the notion that we are being observed by higher intelligences than our own.  After all, what do we know?

Paul Simons

Dale with all due respect saying that for several reasons there "must be" far more advanced civilizations than ours, which have the technology to be in the neighborhood, and saying that you have proof that this is true are different things. Neil De Grasse Tyson says it far better than I can. In this first clip there's some agreement with your beliefs;

But there's another side to the story:

Thomas Lounds Jr.

hello whhs !  I forgot my password .  Ergo, I have been able to read but not respond-until now ,apparently.  I owe a number of you for all that you have accomplished and especially to realize that--at least to some extent--I may have helped you in that area as both your advisor and, for some, among your early teachers.  What a school to have been a part of! 

Bruce Fette

Paul, I* understand where your questions come from. As you state, Eistein has set up a number of hypotheses subseuently proven. However, the unification remains out of touch. My example to you about physics is to ask what mechanism of physics causes gravity. Yes we know its related to the mass of all the particles (or elecromagnetic waves) within each atom, and that somehow the aggregation of all those atoms makes gravity stronger. However, if we understood the synthesis of gravity at the atomic physics level, then it might be practical to create mechanisms to minipulate gravity or perhaps even manipulate Newtonian physics such as F=MA. 

And while we have the Einsteinian notion of mass growing as items approach the speed of light, there is also the notion of how to measure the speed of light, because light properties depend on where you observe from. We all understand the Doppler effect. It is even used in astronomy to assess range to very distant objects. But we dont know what we dont know about physics at, near or above light speed. 

I think very few understand the physics of Black holes.  But the fact that they exist and the fact that we dont understand the physics of black holes except to say their gravity is so awesome that it effects pretty much evereything in the galaxy. Notionally the atoms are really smashed together more tightly that we can possibly experience here on earth. And we know that if there is some way to really pack them tighter, that somehow suddently gravity experiences a non-linearity (like dividing by zero).

So please consider, as Dale says, there is more yet to be learned.  And what we have have been able to learn is limited by the environment in which we learn. So in summary, the physics we understand makes the phyics that we dont understand seem like science fiction. But for now, I still want to understand why the particles or waves of the atom somehow interact with the waves from other atoms in a way that we call gravity. And when we undestand that sufficiently well, then we can begin to address Einstein's unification and why he didnt solve it.

Mr. Lounds, welcome to join any of the threads in ongoing conversation. :)

Paul Simons

First Mr. Lounds I hope you're happy with what you, as the WHHS science teacher, have unleashed. I'm out of my league here, Fette and Gieringer are actual scientists, I'm just a viewer of "Big Bang Theory" on TV. Since you did post something the password issue is resolved.

About the subject of interstellar travel, the movie "Interstellar" was very entertaining and thought provoking. But that's not the point. My issue is people taking an anecdotal observation and making scientific dogma out of it. See those saucer-like images on that photo of an airplane's greyscale radar screen? And they move funny, fast, and strangely? Well obviously that proves aliens are here, thanks to their phenomenally advanced technology that we can't understand. Look, those are deadly serious Navy pilots saying "WTF?? Did you see that??", they never joke around about anything, do they?

I remember a discussion at the lunch table at a job I had some years ago, blue collar warehouse labor. One fellow said he was sure aliens were here, as a matter of fact they frequented the 7-11 near his trailer park, and it was because the alien rockets had, in his words, "special motors". He could not tell me how a flashlight with 2 D-cell batteries worked, yet he knew all about alien rocket propulsion systems. I am willing to bet many proponents of the "They're here and the government is hiding a vast trove of information from us" conspiracy theory can not tell me how a flashlight with 2 D-cell batteries works. I am also willing to bet that they have never thought about the technology that we do have, for example how to make a wrist watch including tiny screws, gears, springs back then, and a tiny crstal-controlled oscillator and frequency counter and solenoid and so on now, that can tell you exactly what time it is. How about a little respect for that?

My gripe is that not demanding rigorous proof opens a door to pseudoscience like phrenology or "scientific" evidence supporting white supremacy, the evil that is ripping this country apart - again. It's fine to speculate about unknown technology, just please don't ask me to believe anything if you can't prove it.

I will say that I have a special antenna on my radio which I have trained on the trajectory of the Voyager spacecraft and it did appear to stop, remain stationary for a few hours, long enough for the gold record of earth's many sounds that it carried to be played, and then move again. Shortly after that I received a message from interstellar space, in perfect English Morse code, saying "Send more Chuck Berry!" This really happened.

Becky Payne (Shockley)

I am visiting my brother ins Cincinnati but just read the Star Tribune online and noticed Irv Crandall's obituary in today's edtion. I've been awaiting it and I'm sure others are eager to read it as well.

https://www.startribune.com/obituaries/detail/0000393945/?fullname=irving-b-crandall

Bonnie Altman (Templeton)

Welcome back Mr. Lounds. I was in your 9th grade biology class the year Watson and Crick won the Nobel prize for the structure of DNA. In response, you took the time to explain the structure to us. I went on to major in Biology in college and then earn a PhD. So you have thousands of academic grandchildren and great-grandchildren. You never know how far your words will go. Thank you

Barbara Kahn (Tepper)

Thank you Judy, Making a note of it. Actually I do read about the supernatural and witches in several of the mysteries.  I enjoy it and putting it on my list.

I have recently started borrowing e-books from the public library. They have limited choices and sometimes I read book 4 before book 1 of a series but I cannot just buy every single book I read. I am always reading. 

Gail Weintraub (Stern)

Thanks, Becky, for the link to Irv Crandall's obituary. I have also posted it on his In Memory page.

I have posted Celebration of Life information on Mike Weiner's In Memory page.

May their memories always be blessings.

Bruce Fette

Paul,

I am glad you have that Green Bank West Virginia telescope pointed that way. Did you record that Morse code for us?   :)

PS. My gravity hypothesis is that there is a particle in subatomic bosons that emit elecromagnetic waves at frequencies beyond gamma rays, and that the EM interaction with other atomic bosons give rise to gravity. BUT I CANT PROOVE IT, nor do I have the creds to do the relevant experiments. So in this model of gravity, if there is a way to synthesize the correct frrequency beyond gamma, we could make artificial gravity. So this hypothesis gives me hope of understanding gravity and working with it at some future time. Hard to know when though.

Florence (Now Jean) Ager

HIKING WITH DOGS

      One of my favorite recreations has been to hike on weekends with my Yorkie. He could happily do up to 5 miles and then rest in my front pack to be carried home. I took out a subscription to the All Trails app which I highly recommend. The shared experiences of other hikers, GPS coverage and notifications of trail conditions are very helpful,

        Sadly, my ten-year-old Yorkie died of cancer this past weekend. 

       The tears have ceased and I have begun considering another canine companion, .

        I am wondering whether any of you are experienced with small dogs and could recommend a breed that  can be polite home--bodies while enjoying weekend exercise, I am considering a Havanese Terrior given their size and disposition, 

Paul Simons

Florence - I have a friend who is a partisan of the Jack Russel Terrier. They seem to like both outdoor adventures and also relaxing at home. But I never owned a dog.

Bruce - just going word by word you're imagining a particle within a particle, right? I don't know enough about these matters to agree or disagree.

I was lucky enough to stop by that radio telescope farm maybe 30 years ago when it was open to the public. This was on a side trip during a few days vacation at Chincoteague, a nearby beach area. Just being part of the species that builds them is a good thing in my opinion.

Bruce Fette

Paul,

I wonder how many of our WHHS classmates have had the pleasure of watching the wild horses run at Chincoteague?

Ann Shepard (Rueve)

Florence,

I am very sorry for your loss  i just posted this to Facebook about grief:

Most of you are aware that I facilitate the pet loss support groups for Angel's Paws, an organization close to my heart. The loss of a pet is as devastating to many, with the grief just as unimaginable, as it is to those who have suffered the loss of a member of the family. 

This article explains how loss in any form, such as a job loss, or change in health status,  or even your routine, may tigger grief. When that unexplainable feeling creeps in, take time to acknowledge what is happening.  

If it happens to be the loss of a pet that you need to talk about with others who are experiencing the same journey, the support groups are held (for the time being) virtually via Zoom, on the first and third Tuesday of the month at 6 pm eastern time. The next group will be held July 6.  
 

I have come to love doodle dogs, mine is a larger golden doodle.  I have two granddogs that are labradoodles. They are smart, not too feisty, and easily trainable. 
I highly recommend you explore adoption. Mine is a rescue. They come in all sizes

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/1002446604/the-importance-of-mourning-losses-even-when-they-seem-small?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&fbclid=IwAR3LTygFdyRNa1PmDTAZ6lQ6DGlhaI7LstP-EcA_FtiKkOSwyQWVrxSVVJY

Ann Shepard (Rueve)

While pitching stuff in my basement, I found a mailing tube containing a page from March 29, 1939, CincinnatiTimes Star. It was among some of my late cousin Julia Mann’s belongings that were sent to me after she passed several years ago. The page I saw first was the comics. When I turned the page over, it was a pictorial of current events for that day. Surprisingly, the banner is about “The Walnuts of 1939”. Other historically significant photos are on the page, including Thomas Dewey, who went on to become governor of New York, and famous for erroneously being on the front page of newspapers for having beaten Truman in the presidential election of 1948. 

The United States had not yet entered the war, but references to Nazis and their seige in Europe are included.
I couldn’t figure out why my cousin kept that particular page. The date told me… it was her 10th birthday !!!

Bruce Fette

Hello WHHS,

Sorry to repost this but it seems like the message forum has been rather quiet again.

So this is a call for new topics to enliven this forum.  

Let us hear from all of you, what are you up to now? Whats your favorite thing? How do you plan to celebrate your next holiday. How about July 4th? Where will you be? How will you celebrate the birth of a nation where the design of the government was specifically focused on insuring democracy for the people rather than being run by the whims of "King George"?

Jeff Daum

OK Bruce, good thought.  Now that everyone in our family except the little ones have been Covid vaccinated, we are travelling to visit.  We went up to Seattle to see our 3 month old granddaughter and 'west coast' son and daughter-in-law.  It was fantastic to see and be with them in person.

Now we are on the east coast where we will end up visiting with our 'east coast' son, daughter-in-law and two granddaughters.

The east coast trip is showing the ripple effects of Covid.  On our flight from Vegas to Charleston, was changed at the last minute and we arrived 3 hours later than planned.  No problem, but we did not know how lucky we were- on the day we flew and the next day, over 1000 flights apparently were cancelled due to lack of crew etc.

We had heard stories of issues with rental cars not being available, so were a bit apprehensive when we arrived late for our rental. We were surprised to get a brand new car- it had just 3 miles on it and was manufactured less than a month before.  Since we are 'lam' for over a month, that was a very nice outcome.

As mentioned we started in Charleston and are heading up the coast, seeing friends along the way, playing golf, enjoying sightseeig and sampling local cooking.  Several things have become clear resulting from Covid:  many of the restaurants, hotels etc., are woefully short staffed and/or have new hires who are not well trained.

It also seems that many places are using Covid as an excuse to charge inflated rates and provide limited services.

But it is great to be traveling again, seeing far flung friends and family.

Jeff Daum

Thanks for the invite Bruce!  We are already up in Maine.  Will have to do it another time.  Of course if you are in Vegas, give us a shout.

Paul Simons

 

Bruce - I can't blame anyone for roughly say the first 350 years or so - from when steam power began to be used to pump water out of coal mines - to when people like James Hansen began warning us what was happening to the air and water temperatures and what the consequences would be. But ignoring him, and others like him, and mocking and vilifying them and rudely dismissing their conclusions - those are the acts of criminals. Lately with people like Putin and Bolsonaro and Xi and the like - criminals - in charge of countries we are in deep trouble. In my opinion politicians who accept money and in return block immediate action to stop the catastrophe need to be removed, tried for crimes against humanity and accorded the most severe penalty.
 

Everything was here - air, water, vegetation, animals, coal, iron, copper, oil, uranium, bauxite, manganese and on and on - everything that an intelligent species needed to create the technological world we have. At first we didn't know. But now, like the tobacco companies that lied and denied that smoking had anything to do with lung cancer, the fossil fuel industry including big names like Koch are still lying and denying even as ancient sequoias are burning down and rain forests are clear-cut and it's a record breaking 100 degrees in Siberia and 108 in Seattle.

Can it be turned around? Or is it already a viciously spiraling loop - polar ice melts, more heat is absorbed, more ice melts, more heat, and it can't be stopped?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jun/19/james-hansen-nasa-scientist-climate-change-warning

Ann Shepard (Rueve)

Over the years, I have frequently paged through the Rembrancers from our Effie year and, of course, our senior year while helping with our class reunions.  I just recently met someone who graduated in 1961, which was our freshman year. While paging through the yearbook to find her picture, I came upon a picture of the JUNIOR HIGH SOCIAL COMMITTEE.  I have no memory of this committee, or it's purpose. The caption shows Judy Roberts as president. Just curious if anyone else May remember.  I guess the committee didn't last too long.