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04/12/19 02:10 PM #3923    

 

Stephen Collett

Question: Has anyone taken more than one DNA test offered by the four-or-five big companies? Was there any notable difference or distinctions?

I have just done the My Heritage and feel like getting another opinion.


04/13/19 12:07 AM #3924    

 

Philip Spiess

Some responses to recent posts:

Paul:  I have not heard of either Lou Camp or Dallas Wiebe.

Chuck:  I've been known to make and imbibe a Pina Colada or two on the back patio in hot Washington weather (I have at least twelve variant recipes in my Drink Index).  The best standard recipe would be:  1 scoop Crushed Ice; 3/4 oz. Sweet Cream; 3/4 oz. Coconut Cream; 2 oz. Pineapple Juice; 2 oz. White Rum (Bacardi or Havana Club).  Mix in a shaker (or, better yet, a blender).  Serve in a highball (a railroading term, by the way) glass.  (My preferred rum is Myers's, a brown rum from Jamaica.  You can make a very good pina colada by substituting the brown rum for the white -- though it doesn't look as pretty.  Or equal parts of white and brown rum will work too, though in that case add an additional 3/4 oz. of Sweet Cream.  Or just settle for a simpler made Brandy Alexander.)  And yes, I'm far more often likely to be enjoying whiskey/whisky -- an Old Fashioned before dinner, and a Scotch and Soda by way of nightcap.

Steve Collett:  I, for one, am very cautious of connecting with relatives I've never actually met (although, according to Einstein, everything is relative).

 

 


04/13/19 08:09 AM #3925    

 

Paul Simons

First Phil thanks for your reply. I have to remember that this site is specific to WHHS, not UC or Cincinnati in general. If Wiebe had taught at WHHS, not UC, many here would know of his work.

Steve - I haven't had a DNA test done but I know I'm related to monkeys, on both sides of my family. I heard on NPR that whales and dolphins being mammals originated on land and evolved to their current state and I'm trying to understand how that transpired. At any rate it indicates that there may be hope for mankind if we manage to not burn the place down, which sad to say appears to be already in progress.


04/13/19 11:34 AM #3926    

 

Lee Max

Phil,

Apparently, tequila is the healthiest alchoholic beverage. Same alchohol percentage as rum, but fewer calories, no suger involved, and all natural. Some might even consider it Health Food.


04/14/19 03:29 PM #3927    

 

Jeff Daum

Re Stephen's question: Has anyone taken more than one DNA test offered by the four-or-five big companies? Was there any notable difference or distinctions?
 
My wife has done 23 & Me, and Ancestry dot com.  There were a number of consistencies, along with some differences.  Not so much in terms of the health related information, but interms of potential matches.  Of course the matches are dependent on who has taken the specific company's DNA test.
 
I've sent you a PM with some additional informaiton.
Cheers
Jeff

04/15/19 12:17 AM #3928    

 

Philip Spiess

Okay, Chuck Cole and Steve Levinson, my first response to the inquiry about the spelling of "whisky" (Scotch whisky, Canadian whisky -- usually blended -- Indian whisky, and Japanese whisky) and "whiskey" (American whiskey -- usually Bourbon -- and Irish whiskey) was, as they say, "tongue in cheek" (possibly looking for a lost ice cube or two in my jaw).  But now that I'm done teaching my five-week course at church on "The History of African-American Spirituals" to the Adult Education class, I will take on "spirits" of a different kind and address the question seriously and head-on.

As near as I can tell, no one really knows the answer to your question, but I will offer a few historical and linguistic observations.  The term "whisky" (or "whiskey") is a shortened form of the original Gaelic word "uisgebeatha" or "usquebaugh," both of which mean "water (or breath) of life."  (If you pronounce the first half of the word, "usque," very fast and with a Celtic -- or drunken -- slur, you will come out with an approximation of "whisky.")  This became, we are told by etymologists (and also by a handy little book, The Drunken Botanist, 2013), that this eventually became something like whiskybae, and was then shortened further by the early 18th century to whiskie and even sometimes to the excited whiskee!  By the 19th century, the current forms were in place:  "whisky" was the Scottish and British spelling (hence the Canadian and Indian uses -- I don't know about Japan), whereas "whiskey" was the favored spelling in the United States and Ireland (who were, of course, anti-British).

You can draw your own conclusions.  But I have two ideas about this as a cultural historian that I will share.  The first is a matter of spelling vis a vis pronunciation:  the Scots and the Brits tend to pronounce "whisky" this way -- "hw-his-ki," whereas Americans (and, for all I know, the Irish) pronounce "whiskey" this way -- "wiss-kee."   This would seem, to me, to lend itself to different spellings.  Another thought is that the Scotch-Irish who settled in Kentucky and began to produce "corn whiskey" (i.e., Bourbon whiskey, named after Bourbon County where it originated, which is still today a "dry" county) from their original beverage, "corn beer," thought to distinguish their product from that of the old country.  Yet another thought is that I was right in my first posting (see which, Post #3921).


04/15/19 11:53 AM #3929    

 

Stephanie Riger

I am coming to Cinnati for the first time in decades to show my spouse and younger son where I grew up.  Of course we will go to Walnut Hills.  Any other great sites to see?  And any restaurant recommenations? (We will only have 1 day free.)

Thanks in advance for your help, and warm regards to all.

Stephanie


04/15/19 11:54 AM #3930    

 

Stephen (Steve) Dixon

I love it!

With Phil around, I get to take multiple graduate-level courses without having to register, pay fees, or take any tests.

Following up on Paul's excellent sampling of the poetry in Rap lyrics, I cannot resist posting one of my all-time favorite raps, going back to the early days.: Knowledge Is King by Kool Moe Dee.

Reading the lyrics is good, but I encourage you to look it on Youtube, or Amazon Music, and hear the words with the pace, the beat, and the voice. Best single message in Hip-Hop, I believe.


 

I ain't goin'
I'm gone 
Up up up and away
And I'm on
A higher plane 
With a brain
With a flame 
Feel the fire
Desire the same
Knowledge and wisdom
And understanding
Possessed by gods
Transferred to man in
A script of a book
A scripture that looks 
Like a Biblical writing
Inviting a hook
Of a song sing along with a strong
Subliminal
Message divesting all men from 
Criminal
Acts of the Devil
Revealed and reveled
Designed to recline the mind to lower level
With no spiritual level
Read the Holy Koran
Or the Bible
Because it's liable
To be a revival
For the weak who seek power it'll bring
Infallible power 
Knowledge is king
Knowledge
Who wants some
come get it
A battle is a test of wits 
And I'm witted
Hard beats a torch
And I lit it
Stop the music
Alright hit it
Now that it feels good
I'm heating up
I feed off knowledge
And can't get enough
Knowledge is infinite
Suckers ain't into it
Ignorance is bliss
And they're kin to it
Party and dance
And don't ever glance
At a book or look
For their mind to advance
Caught in a rut
Chasing butt
Trying to get a dollar
Or trying to get a nut
Evil feeds 
Off a source of apathy
Weak in the mind
And of course you have to be
Less than a man
More like a thing
No knowledge you're nothin'
Knowledge is king
Knowledge
My rhymes make
A meak mind anorexic
You can't hang without slang
So eject it
I've selected
Rhymes for records
To affect the effect
Of the rhyme that left
Hangin' like a pound
That came down
But you're hangin' the brain
So your brain's hell-bound
Lost and found
By the serpent's sound
What you don't know
Can't hurt that's profound
Or absurd
A better word
An ingnorant fool
Is a real cool nerd
Pockets are fat
With an empty head
Got a little fame and a name
And you're brain dead
You count dollars
So ya think ya in
What good is knowing how to count
If you don't know when
And history today
And it will equal the future
Repetitive mistakes
Cause the brain ain't acute ya
Need knowledge
To understand
The concept of sacrifice
But man don't understand
So we have to fight
War
Killing people we never 
Saw before
Most don't eden know
What they're killin' for
Following rulers
Instead of the prophets
The wicked can rule ya
But the knowledge can stop it
Souls can't be controlled
It's a spiritual thing
But you got the knowledge
Knowledge is king
Knowledge
My knowledge comes
From a spiritual force
Stonger than any
Earthly source
Propaganda
Hype or slander
I won't believe the hype
I understand the
Media dictates
The mind and rotates
The way you think
And syncopates slow pace
Brains
Can't maintain
Acertain
Insipid inane crass rain
Insane lame
Traditions 
All praise fame
Positions
Want to be a star
Drive a big car 
Live bourgeios
Ane won't know who you are
Lost in the source
And praising the dollar
Whether your faith is
Christ or Allah
The knowledge of God 
Will teach one thing
The dollar is moot
Knowledge is king



 


04/15/19 11:59 AM #3931    

 

Barbara Kahn (Tepper)

Jeff, there is something called Gedmatch you can upload your results to and get more information across all the companies. I don't know how to do it yet. 

This just happened last night. My sister, Linda, is in charge of our DNA searching because it interests her the most.  She showed me how to find all the distant matches on a world map.   I found a person listed in Beaufort, SC. I see her every time we visit Hilton Head. This was a great surprise and lots of fun to talk about. It says we are 4th cousins and likely share the same great, great grandparents in some way.  Apparently DNA results are different for Jewish heritage because they did not intermarry on a large scale, staying within their limited area.   If this is the case then my family and that of my sister is hugely diluted with the generation after us.  

At any rate I had fun talking to my friend who grew up in Beaufort and is married to a fraternity roommate of my husband.  


04/15/19 01:07 PM #3932    

 

Stephen (Steve) Dixon

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04/15/19 06:55 PM #3933    

 

Paul Simons

First - Stephen thank you sir for your kind words and for taking the trouble to present the Kool Moe Dee lyrics. They clarify something I've felt for some time which is that rap is in a great many cases reality. It can be profound or mean or both but it's the expression of what's really going on.

Kinda reminds me of what Marvin had to say 50 years ago -

"Picket lines and picket signs
Don't punish me with brutality
Talk to me, so you can see
Oh, what's going on
What's going on
Yeah, what's going on
Ah, what's going on..."

And thanks for the New Yorker cartoon.

Next - Stephanie if you have only one day the restaurant experiences unique to Cincinnati are beyond any doubt White Castle and Skyline. Maybe Frisch's too but the sine qua nons are White Castle and Skyline. And a beer at the City Tavern in Mt. Adams.

Yeah, I know, Graeters. Hyde Park Square Graeters. You can't miss that either.

Cincinnati - the Beat on the Street and The New Yorker, White Castle in Norwood and Graeters in Hyde Park - a city of wide and yet conjoined cultural identities. Bring it on.

04/15/19 09:57 PM #3934    

 

Stephanie Riger

We will definitely do Skyline for lunch but I was hoping for something more upscale for dinner.  My family are foodies.  We are staying at the Netherland - anything good close to there?

Thanks again for your help,

Stephanie
 


04/16/19 01:35 AM #3935    

 

Philip Spiess

I write to you tonight as a classmate who spent the first years of his professional career as an historic preservationist, namely, as head of research for the National Trust for Historic Preservation, Washington, D. C.

I write to say that the destruction today of the Cathedral of Notre Dame de Paris by fire was totally preventable.  I cannot tell you how many historic structures worldwide, and especially in the United States, have been either damaged or destroyed by architectural preservation firms themselves, working on historic structures.  This, it appears (at least until we get further information), was the case in Paris today, that the multi-million dollar preservation work begun last year on Notre Dame was responsible for the fire which torched the spire (fleche) and ultimately destroyed the entire roof, roof trusses, and, it appears, some historic stained glass, and much of the wooden interior.  We are lucky, it seems, at this early date, that the medieval stone structural walls, including the celebrated and beautiful "flying buttresses" of the apse, are intact (though structural engineers will surely need to test them for their stability).

I said I cannot tell you how many historic structures have been damaged by preservation efforts, but I can mention a few:  the West Wing of the White House, during the Hoover administration, caught fire while under renovation; the Hyde Park home of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, under the control of our National Park Service, was severely damaged in the 1970s; the Louisiana State Museum, on Jackson Square in New Orleans, was damaged by fire in the 1980s; and Windsor Castle in England had a major, and very destructive, fire while renovative work was under way.  All of these buildings, fortunately, were ultimately repaired and restored (yes, it takes much money to do so), but, unfortunately, all were caused by careless workers:  a still-burning blowtorch left in the wrong place, a cigarette carelessly left near an oil-soaked cloth in a confined area when a worker went to lunch, etc., etc.  Architectural preservation firms, of all groups, should know better and monitor their workers accordingly.  I expect that a similar tale will ultimately emerge from this Paris tragedy.

The Cathedral of Notre Dame de Paris was, as were all churches and other religious structures in France, severely damaged and left derelict by the French Revolution, which went after the Catholic clerics with a vengeance.  It was left to the great 19th-Century French writer, Victor Hugo, to take up the fight to preserve Notre Dame:  in 1831 he wrote his now-famous novel, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, to bring attention to the plight of the cathedral and to address its historical importance to the nation of France (in 1832 he denounced the war against the "massacre of ancient stones").  (Indeed, in Book IX of his novel, in Chapter V, focusing on King Louis XI, the "Spider King" as he was known, the rabble sets fire to the Cathedral of Notre Dame, and the king is enraged and calls out the army against insurrection.)

Louis-Philippe, then the "Citizen-King" of France, declared that the restoration of churches and other monuments would be a priority of his regime.  So in 1833 he appointed Prosper Merimee, a prominent French author, now most famous as the author of the novella Carmen (1831; later made into a famous opera in 1875 by composer Georges Bizet), Inspector-General of Historical Monuments, in which position he served from 1833 to 1852.  It was he who hired the celebrated architect, Eugene Viollet-le-Duc, to work on restoring the Gothic splendor of Notre Dame de Paris.  Viollet-le-Duc worked from 1842 through 1843 restoring the facades of Notre Dame (the facades had been stripped of their statues) and the fleche, or spire, over the transcept, which, it seems, is what was being worked on when it caught fire today.  It was Viollet-le-Duc who also, in a move to be historically accurate, decreed that the roof of Notre Dame would not use the metal roof trusses, then coming into use, but would utilize the ancient design of Gothic wooden roof trusses and a wooden (not lead-lined) roof cover.  Therefore, that is what burned and brought down the whole roof structure today, setting fire to the rest of the building.

As a believer in the importance for historical memory of historic preservation, I remain appalled at the sometimes casual nature with which preservation firms -- which should know better, certainly by now -- undertake their work.  This was, as I said, an avoidable tragedy.


04/16/19 04:46 AM #3936    

 

Paul Simons

Stephanie - I don't live in Cincinnati but I do get back there for about a week every year. The only thing I know about near downtown is that one of the bridges across the Ohio River has been painted lavender and made into a pedestrians-only bridge, and there are parts of Covington and Newport near the river which have been "gentrified" where you can find first-class places. This is something Ira Goldberg has real info about. Or maybe La Maisonette still exists. Cincinnati also has a chain called City Barbeque - real hickory smoked barbeque, you can smell the wood smoke for miles.

Phil - I don't know much about your field but I share your sense of needless loss. The architecture of those Gothic cathedrals works perfectly with the music by Bach and similar composers that would have been heard in them. The loss of either is a loss to humanity. If only humanity treasured the oceans and the sky the way we treasure our own creations, our own edifices. Maybe the problem is we can't own, we can't slap our names in gold onto the oceans and the sky.


04/16/19 08:30 AM #3937    

Jon Singer

Stephanie, The golf course that was within a stone's throw of your old home (Mac) looks the same and a visit within will be more nostalgic than blocks around California and Reading Road.  The Reading Rd. Chili Time Restaurant is gone.  White Castle (12 cents/burger in our day) is gone.  The Bond Hill Branch Library Building around the corner I believe stands, but is run down. Swifton was long ago leveled and has partially been reborn as housing. Twin Drive In disappeared and the land vacant until it was transformed into hospital based offices.  Frisches in Roselawn is gone,  The RT Frisches at Reading and Tennessee is gone.  Natorps moved to Mason/Deerfield Township. Avon Fields Golf Course and Sugar and Spice Restaurant live! However, I would not recommend either for the food.

Orchids at Palm Court, within the Netherland is a top venue, especially for Sunday Brunch.  Within walking distance are two great places-Soto and Boca which are often booked.  Nada and Via Vita are very good.  Right across from you diagonally just up from 4th street is a good place that features small plate Mediterranian.  I am blanking on their name. There are several very good places further north, especially Open Table, run by the chef who ran The Maisonette (unfortunately defunct Paul for a decade or two) for many years.  If you venture up Vine into Over -The- Rhine region there are several places that would entertain your family.  If they want a unique hot dog and a good donout, drop into The Senate and Holtmann's Bakery.

Long ago I apologized in person for copying Latin off of Sharon and Anthony, but I haven't come across the opportunity with you.  I found you to be bright as hell, appropriately and consistently correct on tests and your handwriting,(strangly upright and unslanted) was easily read from a distance. I am sorry to have copied off of you as well.  Jon 


04/16/19 11:03 AM #3938    

 

Ira Goldberg

Jon’s epicurean tour of the city exceeds any I could offer. I will add only Dee Felice restaurant/bar/jazz venue in Newport, KY as an interesting alternative. It’s a New Orleans style. 


04/16/19 12:18 PM #3939    

 

Dale Gieringer

 Stephanie - Regarding restaurants, I'd highly recommend Jean Robert's Open Table   https://www.jeanroberttable.com  at 713 Vine St.  He serves authentic French cuisine,  as close as one could get to the old Maisonette.    


04/16/19 12:52 PM #3940    

 

Stephanie Riger

Jon, thanks so much for the details about disappearing Cincinnati places.  Your post brought back so many memories. I remember Swifton as the place to hang out with girlfriends.  And Frische's strawberry pie...

You are most welcome to any wisdom I might have produced, during exams or otherwise. And thanks to you, Dale, Ira, and Paul for the restaurant suggestions.  

 I'm eager to see our school again...

Stephanie


04/16/19 01:27 PM #3941    

 

Paul Simons

Jon - the White Castle at Reading Rd and California Ave is gone but there are others. The burgers are just as fabulous as they were and the ambience is as well.
If only Swifton and Pasquale's were still around!

04/16/19 03:16 PM #3942    

 

Steven Levinson

Stephanie,

 

I know you're flooded with recommendations, but we love The Metropole Restaurant in the 21C Modern Hotel on Walnut near Fountain Square.  It's a foodie's restaurant.

 

Steve


04/16/19 03:30 PM #3943    

 

Gail Weintraub (Stern)

Stephanie, I really like Nicola's Ristorante in OTR. I've eaten there several times. Knowing you and Dan, I think you'd enjoy dining there. Good luck with making an informed decision!! Have fun going down memory lane.


04/16/19 11:36 PM #3944    

 

Philip Spiess

Ira:  Is Dee Felice still alive -- and performing?


04/17/19 06:26 AM #3945    

 

Ira Goldberg

Phil - not for a while. His wife and daughter run the restaurant. Did I actually have knowledge about something you didn’t? 


04/17/19 09:17 AM #3946    

 

Stephen (Steve) Dixon

Steve's Musical Memories:

I remember the guys gathered at Jerry Blake’s house, trying to be a singing group, practicing “Angel Eyes” and “What’s Your Name” by Skip & Flip.

"I’ve stood on this corner,
Waiting for you to come along
So my heart could feel satisfied,
So please let me be
Your number one,
Under the moon, under the stars
And under the Su-u-un..."

And that triggers other musical memories:

A big old October full moon, on a clear night leading to a bunch of us singing “Stagger Lee” outside Pam Hall’s house in Mt. Washington. Remember...

"The night was clear,
The moon was yellow,
And the leaves came tumbling DOWN…."

Sock hops in the gym at Mt. Washington Elementary and dancing to great stuff like “Bristol Stomp.”

Dale Siemer pantomiming “Purple People Eater” in a classroom talent show (and I use the word talent loosely).

Big debates over the actual words to Del Shannon’s “Runaway.” The controversial line was, in fact, “Tears are fallin’, and I feel the pain.”

Cincinnati’s own Carl Dobkins, Jr. having a hit with “My Heart Is an Open Book” (1959) and me hating that Connie Oldashi liked him so much.

Late Fall of 1962 when, suddenly, everybody was walking around singing “Duke, Duke, Duke, Duke of Earl…Duke, Duke…”

What the heck WERE the words to Louie Louie? And whoever imagined this song would not only be a 70’s remake hit but the music to a TV commercial?

Actually dancing in the street to Martha and The Vandella’s “Dancin’ in the Street.”

In the library at Sue Hines’ (Susan Hines Siemer) house with two copies of Johnny’s Greatest Hits stacked back-to-back on the stereo so both sides would play all the way through before you had to stop slow dancing together.

Wishing I could sing like the lead of The Platters, then like Johnny Maestro of The Crests on “16 Candles” and, ultimately, like the lead of The Marcels on “Blue Moon.”

Anita Darian, the greatest voice in Rock ‘n Roll, singing descant on The Tokens version of 'The Lion Sleeps Tonight.'


04/17/19 12:48 PM #3947    

 

Barbara Kahn (Tepper)

Paul, as a fellow fan of White Castle burgers, I'm happy to report the restaurants are easily accessible here on Long Island.  

My sister and I bemoan the loss of Pasquale's. This was the first pizza we ever tasted.  We also liked the steak sandwiches but they had to be plain for us. 


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