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01/13/20 08:42 AM #4477    

 

Bruce Bittmann

Phillip, I don't respond too often, but I truly enjoy your posts about the city.  I grew up in the 'burbs' of Kenwood -  less than a 1/2 mile from the Montgomery Rd and Kenwood Rd intersection (it was a four way stop sign).  Not exactly the center of the city.  Actually, it wasn't even in Cincinnati!  I don't remember getting to many of the city's parks and other places until High School.  While I did get to Clifton to visit my paternal grandparents, and Norwood for my aunt & uncle, as well as my maternal grandparents when I was growing up, they were gone before I got know them.  So, please keep the history alive!  And, this goes to the others who add much to the thread.


01/13/20 10:10 AM #4478    

 

Linda Karpen (Nachman)

I echo Bruce! Phil (and all others), your fascinating knowledge offers a common thread for us all to share. So many memories keep popping up...thank you!! yes


01/13/20 08:47 PM #4479    

 

Jeff Daum

Here are three videos of Gene's dad,  Dr. Victor Stern celebrating his 100th and then his 102nd birthdays.

 

https://youtu.be/QKyH3JS4HKk

https://youtu.be/WlN0dTzLMN0

https://youtu.be/NGuVpmWfDuM

 

Gene's original message regarding this terrific celebration is located at message #4459.


01/14/20 02:18 AM #4480    

 

Gene Stern

Thank you Jeff, for putting my Father's videos on YouTube and then allowing our classmates the opportunity to view them on our Class web site!!


01/14/20 08:28 AM #4481    

 

Jeff Daum

It was my pleasure Gene.  Glad I could help.


01/14/20 01:49 PM #4482    

 

Paul Simons

Hmmm...sterilizing the stomach with vodka...I'll have to try that. Seems to work for your Dad, Gene. Amazing, my folks are from that part of the world as well, the videos remind me of my Dad and Uncle, his brother. Somehow that hair stays. It gets grey but it stays there. I was lucky enough to get some of that genetic material myself. Well, Congratulations all around!! Waiter - one bottle of Slivovitz (plum brandy) please!!


01/15/20 11:36 PM #4483    

 

Philip Spiess

Paul:  When I feel a sore throat coming on, I often down straight Vodka, thinking that alcohol kills germs.  It may not work the way I intend, but enough of it sends me to bed and to sleep, which works wonders.  And we (descended) Germans know "Plum Brandy" as "Zwetschgenwasser," a significant amount of which I had in 1970 at the private home where we were staying to see the late medieval Oberammergau Passionspiele (a drama of the Passion of Jesus Christ, with comparative Old and New Testament scriptural passages, sworn to be performed regularly by this German town after its being saved from the Plague), performed now every ten years (much beer consumed during the luncheon intermission).


01/15/20 11:37 PM #4484    

 

Ann Shepard (Rueve)

Gene, what a marvelous celebration for your father!  That you share the same birth date is something special!  
You are very fortunate to have this amazing man still with you. 
Jeff, thanks for putting the tributes on You Tube and on the class website!


01/16/20 01:16 PM #4485    

 

Paul Simons

Ok Phil - there it is - Slivovitz Plum Brandy. Depending on various currently unknown unknowns perhaps we shall all have a swig at the next reunion! 


01/18/20 06:59 PM #4486    

 

Philip Spiess

Rig a swig and I'll be there!


01/21/20 06:14 PM #4487    

 

Jerry Ochs

Here is some Turkish coffee to go with that Czech brandy.




01/22/20 04:48 AM #4488    

 

Paul Simons

Thanks for the tune Jerry. Here's a version by the dude who wrote it - Dylan. It's from an album called "Desire", also a tune about Ruben "Hurricane Carter.

 




01/22/20 08:50 PM #4489    

 

Paul Simons

"The Times They Are A-Changing" Jerry. Your lyric comes in at about the :45 point. Like all good writing, or art, or music, or poetry, the relevance is timeless and universal. But as many artists will tell you, a song or a movie can't change the world. I don't know what can. They can certainly help - the combination of Dr. King, Jack and Bobby Kennedy, and Dylan certainly did something - but real permananent change? We're still waiting.

 

Here's the album version as well:




01/22/20 11:48 PM #4490    

 

Philip Spiess

Jerry:  Oh, god!  do these words resonant now!

Paul:  What can change the world?  The answer, my friends, is blowin' in the wind!


01/26/20 08:31 PM #4491    

 

Paul Simons

Yes Jerry I just heard an interview on BBC with a woman, 90 years old now, who was imprisoned there, as a 13-year-old, and was able to leave when the Russian army broke through. We said “Never Again” but when you look at the world - Myanmar, here, even England - you know there's no such thing as "nevrer again". As far as "How many times can a man - or a woman - turn their heads and pretend that they can't see" - again, just looking around, it's a large number. Like you say it's the 75th year since Auschwitz was liberated and it will soon be all of our 75th birthday and the Class of 64's reunion celebrating that fact. Also a fact - a lot of us are here now because our fathers got home from the war about 75 years ago and got started having families. My own father was Army infantry in Europe, 793rd Field Artillery, aiming guns at nazis. God bless him and all the others who took part in defeating them.


01/27/20 07:28 AM #4492    

 

Ira Goldberg

Paul speaks of his dad, Mr. Joseph Simons who, for those unaware, was our English Teacher at WHHS! He made the world and our lives better. 


01/28/20 09:27 PM #4493    

 

Philip Spiess

My father was in the South Pacific during WWII, so he was shooting in the other direction -- and at a different adversary, now our ally, as are now the Germans.

But my inquiry to you all today, as a cultural historian, is:  "What do you think of our National Anthem"?  In order to keep the answers relatively simple and cogent, I will further put some qualifiers on the nature of my inquiry:

(1) Do you like "The Star-Spangled Banner," or do you think another of our traditional patrioric tunes should replace it, or do you think an entirely new anthem should replace it (as occurred in Canada a number of years ago, when they ditched "The Maple Leaf Forever")?

(2) Do you like the tune, John Stafford Smith's musical ode for the Anacreontic Society in London, "To Anacreon in Heaven," and do you think it is at all singable (i.e., as it scales from low to high notes)?  [This is neither the time nor the place to discuss its widely varying performances at sporting events, etc. (some of which are god-awful), which is an entirely different cultural inquiry, and one which -- if pursued -- will lead us completely away from my basic inquiry.]

Oh, and a major note of admonition:  there is no statement in print, law, or tradition that says you should place your hand over your heart when you sing the National Anthem.  You are not taking a pledge; that is reserved for the "Pledge of Allegiance" (about which perhaps more later).


01/29/20 05:40 AM #4494    

 

Jerry Ochs

Phil et al.,

The Star-Spangled Banner?  I won't stand for it.

I'd like America the Beautiful to be the national anthem.  The references to a divine being leave me cold, but the ideas and ideals expressed are uplifting.

 1. Oh, beautiful for spacious skies,
    For amber waves of grain,
    For purple mountain majesties
    Above the fruited plain!
    America! America!
    God shed his grace on thee,
    And crown thy good with brotherhood
    From sea to shining sea.
    
    2. Oh, beautiful for pilgrim feet,
    Whose stern, impassioned stress
    A thoroughfare of freedom beat
    Across the wilderness!
    America! America!
    God mend thine ev’ry flaw,
    Confirm thy soul in self-control,
    Thy liberty in law.
    
    3. Oh, beautiful for heroes proved
    In liberating strife,
    Who more than self their country loved,
    And mercy more than life!
    America! America!
    May God thy gold refine,
    Till all success be nobleness,
    And ev’ry gain divine.
    
    4. Oh, beautiful for patriot dream
    That sees beyond the years
    Thine alabaster cities gleam,
    Undimmed by human tears!
    America! America!
    God shed his grace on thee,
    And crown thy good with brotherhood
    From sea to shining sea.
    
    Text: Katherine Lee Bates, 1859–1929
    Music: Samuel A. Ward, 1848–1903


01/29/20 05:43 AM #4495    

 

Jerry Ochs

Why isn't this song the U.S. national anthem?

The song was a contender for the U.S. national anthem, along with “My Country ‘Tis of Thee” and “The Star Spangle Banner”. In 1931, President Herbert Hoover signed a law that made the “Star Spangled Banner” our national anthem, and that upset many Americans. The effort to change our national anthem has continued on and off since then, with supporters of “America the Beautiful” contending that it more accurately reflects the principles of our country. (They also add that it’s a lot easier to sing!)


01/29/20 03:54 PM #4496    

 

Steven Levinson

Phil, I don't like The Star Spangled Banner.  I don't care whether it's replaced by something else.  (National anthems don't curl my hair particularly.)  I have no preferred replacement.  America the Beautiful is okay.  I'm indifferent to TSSB's tune.  


01/30/20 01:47 AM #4497    

 

Jerry Ochs

This song has also been proposed as a replacement.  It's more upbeat.




01/30/20 09:40 AM #4498    

 

Ann Shepard (Rueve)

In his own words, poet James Weldon Johnson:

Lift Every Voice and Sing

 

A group of young men in Jacksonville, Florida, arranged to celebrate Lincoln’s birthday in 1900. My brother, J. Rosamond Johnson, and I decided to write a song to be sung at the exercises. I wrote the words and he wrote the music. Our New York publisher, Edward B. Marks, made mimeographed copies for us, and the song was taught to and sung by a chorus of five hundred colored school children. 
Shortly afterwards my brother and I moved away from Jacksonville to New York, and the song passed out of our minds. But the school children of Jacksonville kept singing it; they went off to other schools and sang it; they became teachers and taught it to other children. Within twenty years it was being sung over the South and in some other parts of the country. Today the song, popularly known as the Negro National Hymn, is quite generally used. 
The lines of this song repay me in an elation, almost of exquisite anguish, whenever I hear them sung by Negro children.

 

Lift every voice and sing   
Till earth and heaven ring, 
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty; 
Let our rejoicing rise 
High as the listening skies, 
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea. 
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us, 
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us.   
Facing the rising sun of our new day begun, 
Let us march on till victory is won. 
 
Stony the road we trod, 
Bitter the chastening rod, 
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died;   
Yet with a steady beat, 
Have not our weary feet 
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed? 
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered, 
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered, 
Out from the gloomy past,   
Till now we stand at last 
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast. 
 
God of our weary years,   
God of our silent tears, 
Thou who hast brought us thus far on the way; 
Thou who hast by Thy might   
Led us into the light, 
Keep us forever in the path, we pray. 
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee, 
Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee; 
Shadowed beneath Thy hand,   
May we forever stand.   
True to our God, 
True to our native land.
 

 


01/30/20 07:34 PM #4499    

 

Jerry Ochs

Thanks for posting that, Ann.

If you google Negro National Anthem there are some YouTube examples of the song being sung.

I wonder if every national anthem around the world is supposed to be sung while standing.


01/30/20 11:29 PM #4500    

 

Jerry Ochs

What the Flag Code says about behavior regarding the national anthem:

 36 U.S. Code § 301. National anthem

(a) Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1) when the flag is displayed—
(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.


01/31/20 01:46 AM #4501    

 

Philip Spiess

Two comments:

James Weldon Johnson and his brother, J. Rosamond Johnson, did much in the 1920s and 1930s to research and collect authentic Negro spirituals from the days of slavery and the Underground Railroad; indeed, they published a volume of these (Rosamond was particularly active in this) [see James Weldon Johnson and J(ohn) Rosamond Johnson, eds., The Books of American Negro Spirituals (1925, 1926; New York:  Viking Press, 1940; Boston:  Da Capo Press, 1977; 2009)].  Today we may think of many of these spirituals as being part of the standard repertoire of American music, but at the turn of the century, many of them were in danger of being lost.  (Well up into the 1890s, many African-Americans viewed the spirituals as being too sacred to be sung in public concert, other than within the confines of their own religious gatherings.)  And, by the way, "Lift Every Voice and Sing" has a very fine, invigorating tune.

I am appalled at what the U. S. Flag Code apparently says about "saluting" and/or "pledging" during the National Anthem -- and why it's in the Flag Code at all when we're not talking about the flag but about a song, is anybody's guess -- the two are separate and different things.  Removing hats and helmets (wigs, heads, etc.) during its performance may be a sign of respect, and "saluting" may be a dignified military expression of something or other, but putting one's hand over one's heart should be reserved for the "Pledge of Allegiance" -- because it is a pledge.  I won't go into my tirade about how hypocritical all of this is (i.e., that stuff in the U. S. Code) in light of almost always terrible and shameful performances of the National Anthem at the start of sporting events, where it is too often rendered as a sentimental love ballad or worse, by performers who can't sing worth a damn -- but I just did give you my tirade, didn't I?


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