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09/20/14 07:31 AM #1027    

 

Jerry Ochs

To continue the conversation about architecture, I worked in the Enquirer Building, which had bas-relief elephants over the elevator doors on the first floor.  Is it still standing?

Regarding suspension bridges, I live near a bridge with the world's longest central span.  Here's a photo.


09/20/14 08:11 AM #1028    

 

Laura Reid (Pease)

Class of 64, you have got to see the article in the Cincinnati Business Courier, September 19th editiion.  YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT.  On the front page:  The amazing story of an Avondale neighborhood that produced some of Cincinnati's most successful natives"..  Then on pages 4 and five, pictured and bio'd are:  Rick Steiner, Mary Benjamin, Arn Bortz, Johnny Osher, Fred Mayerson,, and Julie Waxman!!!  (also James Levine)  AND the title of the page is:  Walnut Hills' wondrous class of '64!!!!  THEN, as if that wasn't enough, on page 6, the article continues saying how wonderful everyone is AND a photo of John Bagnoli's N. Avondale 6th grade class with the aforementioned classmates AND others....I tried to cut and paste but the website wanted me to subscribe....maybe Ann can do it as she is highly skilled techwise  Just didn't want anyone to miss this!!  It is so wonderful....now I can prove what a great class we had....when I tell people they think I'm hallucinating....


09/20/14 08:56 AM #1029    

Richard Montague

Jerry,

when I think of Cincinnati, the Suspension Bridge and Union Terminal come to mind but if there are any Gear Heads among my class mates google Cincinnati Triple Steam. The old Ohio River Pumping Station received landmark Status. Great architecture and the four remaining Steam pumping engines are the largest in the world.


09/20/14 09:33 AM #1030    

 

Ann Shepard (Rueve)

Phil - Your posts aren't too long. What else do we have to do until our birthday bash? Thanks, I will be watching the mail for the fountain and Union Terminal info.

Laura - There is a link to the Cincinnati Business Courier on my post #1024.  You can access all of the pictures and bios through the link.  Subscribers only can read the entire article.  I believe the picture of the class was posted earlier and was discussed earlier in this Forum.  I just can't page through all those pages to find it right now.


09/20/14 09:41 AM #1031    

 

Ann Shepard (Rueve)

By the way, Nancy Messer posted that same picture from North Avondale School on post #408.


09/20/14 11:42 AM #1032    

 

Gail Weintraub (Stern)

Here's the article about Mary Benjamin, Arn Bortz, Fred Mayerson, John Osher, Rick Steiner, Julie Waxman (and James Levine, Fred Hersch, Joey Gantz, Steven Spielberg) that appeared in the September 19th edition of the Cincinnati Business Courier. ENJOY!!

 

It's a lovely Cincinnati neighborhood with stately century-old homes, some you'd call mansions, set behind wide lawns on leafy streets. But North Avondale's Beechwood and Rose Hill avenues are nothing you couldn't find in Hyde Park, Clifton, Mount Lookout or a half-dozen other places in the city. Until, that is, you look closer. And rewind the clock to the 1950s. Because something remarkable was going on.

A group that would later be part of the Walnut Hills High School class of 1964 were just little kids, but they would become some of the most successful, high-achieving Cincinnatians in the city's history.

And they all grew up in the same place and were in the same class at North Avondale Elementary School.

Beechwood and Rose Hill lie just west of Reading Road and north of Mitchell Avenue. Wess Park Drive is just on the other side of Clinton Springs.

Those three streets produced a five-time Tony Award-winning Broadway producer, an Oscar-nominated director and producer of documentaries, a former mayor of Cincinnati, the conductor of the Metropolitan Opera in New York, a Los Angeles TV production company executive and an entrepreneur who invented the Spinbrush toothbrush and sold it to Procter & Gamble, not to mention a batch of doctors, lawyers and university professors.

Their achievements put Cincinnati on the national and even international stage, brought plenty of investment dollars to the city and helped craft their high school's reputation as a stepping stone to achievement and success. Indeed, Cincinnati wouldn't be the same city if it weren't for these kids from that class in that neighborhood.

(Oh, and although he moved away from Cincinnati as a young child, there was another Jewish kid born in nearby Avondale in 1946 who you might have heard of: director Steven Spielberg.)

"This class was loaded," said Rick Steiner, the Broadway producer. "I think it was because we were the first of the boomers."

Or maybe there was something in the water. That's the running joke. Many of the group point to the way they grew up to explain their success. Their neighborhood was filled with Jewish families who raised their children to compete and win. Television wasn't dominant. They played outside, together.

"We were all about riding bikes and roller skating," said Mary Benjamin, whose documentary "Eight Minutes to Midnight" was nominated for an Academy Award in 1981. We played "Ghost in the Graveyard."

John Osher, who invented the Spinbrush, loved playing Capture the Flag. Fred Mayerson, who runs an investment firm and built the Chi-Chi's Mexican restaurant chain, played baseball and football and shot baskets at neighbors' houses.

Arn Bortz, Cincinnati's former mayor and a principal with developer Towne Properties, had mud ball fights in the woods behind their houses. "We were just normal kids," he said.

"Our parents didn't know where we were every minute of the day," Benjamin said. "We had a lot of freedom."

People went over to each other's houses so often that Mayerson said he'd consider his friends' parents as his own, and vice versa. There was plenty of intermingling.

"It was more or less like living in a kibbutz," Mayerson said.

Living so closely together also brought out a desire to keep up with one another.

"There was a competitive instinct in us," Bortz said. "When we were in the swimming pool, you'd see other people doing things and you'd think, "I better be able to do that, too."

In other words, a rising tide floats all boats.

"It wasn't in a mean way," Mayerson said. "It was more like, Let's push each other."

Incredible competition.

At that time the neighborhood was heavily Jewish, and their parents came from similar backgrounds with similar values. They were successful themselves, and they emphasized education. (Steiner's father co-owned Kenner Products, which became part of Hasbro; Mayerson's father started a very successful real estate development firm.) The neighborhood was filled with doctors and lawyers, and the kids largely grew up in two-parent homes with strong, stable influences.

"We all had moms and dads who had come out of the Depression," Mayerson said. "They had high expectations for their children."

Benjamin and her three sisters were performers. They wrote skits for birthdays and anniversaries. Their father wrote poems.

"There was a lot of creativity in my family," she said. "It was a healthy and fun childhood."

Osher didn't do well in school, but he was an entrepreneur from age 5. That's when his parents started bringing home nude paintings they'd done in a class at the Cincinnati Art Museum and stored them in the attic. Osher charged friends a nickel to see them.

"That's still my best-margin business," Osher said.

The neighborhood kids all went to North Avondale Elementary. And despite the success so many would achieve, Osher didn't figure anybody thought he or Steiner would go on to fame and fortune. Neither was a great student. But success bred success.

"The competition was incredible," Steiner said.

The teachers at North Avondale Elementary took a strong interest in the kids.

John Bagnoli was a powerful influence on virtually everyone in the class. Steiner said Bagnoli, the sixth-grade teacher at North Avondale Elementary, taught economics and led the class on trips to Washington, D.C. He took the class to his farm and to the restaurant he owned downtown, Osher said.

"He was bigger than life, bigger than Paul Bunyan," Steiner said. "I don't think I ever had a teacher who had a bigger influence."

Another female teacher used to take Benjamin and Julie Waxman out in her convertible during lunch hours when they were in sixth grade. They'd go to Frisch's and drive by Xavier, with the younger girls doing catcalls, Benjamin said.

"Imagine that happening today," she said.

The group all attended Walnut Hills High School, too. Public grade school and public high school. Walnut stressed the humanities, which developed critical thinking, Steiner said.

"It led us to think outside the box."

Still together.

Their achievements were certainly out of the ordinary. Several became doctors, lawyers and university professors and deans. But the success of several in film, theater and music showed this bunch didn't just follow the typical path of going to college and then getting a steady job.

It's also striking how closely knit they still are. Yes, they're far-flung and they don't all stay in touch. But a surprising number of them do.

Benjamin took Waxman to the Oscars in 1981. Two North Avondale kids sitting among Hollywood's biggest stars. When Mayerson puts together business deals, who does he call to invest? Steiner and Osher. Who gave financial backing to Steiner's Broadway productions? Osher and Mayerson. The other two invested in Osher's businesses, too.

It's not limited to the Class of '64. The neighborhood kid who went on to become probably the most famous was a few years older than this group. But James Levine, conductor of the Metropolitan Opera in New York, was close enough in age that they all played together, although Levine often had bigger fish to fry.

People who grew up in the same neighborhood but graduated in the early 1970s include Grammy-nominated jazz pianist Fred Hersch and Joey Gantz, a filmmaker best known for creating the HBO series "Taxicab Confessions" but who also has made serious documentaries, including one about people who lost their homes during the housing crisis.

Quite a group.

Maybe it really was the water.

But it's probably not a coincidence that the bulk of this bunch was born in 1946. It was right after World War II and millions of soldiers came home and started families. The U.S. birthrate jumped 22 percent that year.

Bortz has two older brothers and said he was "an accident in celebration of the war ending." Parents were optimistic about their kids' futures, too, as the world was finally at peace.

Statistics show that the median SAT scores peaked in 1964, the year this class graduated, and then declined steadily until 1980.

Still, none of the group of North Avondale kids said they had any inkling that the class would go on to achieve such special things.

"But looking back, I'd say it was quite a group of talented people," Benjamin said. "It's amazing."


09/20/14 11:45 AM #1033    

 

Laura Reid (Pease)

thanks  Ann; sorry for the duplication; I didn't want anyone to miss it.....


09/20/14 02:21 PM #1034    

 

Ann Shepard (Rueve)

Tnat's no duplication, just emphasis.  Gail, thanks for getting the full text of the article. 

Our class is the BEST!  I still think we ought to invite all the people mentioned in the article to our Birthday Bash.  Don't you agree Rick?


09/21/14 10:17 AM #1035    

 

Stephen (Steve) Dixon

Thank you to everybody who alerted us to the newspaper article. And special thanks to Gail for posting the entire article for us long-lost citizens who don't get the paper. 

Phil: Don't slow down, buddy. I enjoy your stuff, immensely. Same with Dave and his photographs. You guys know your efforts are outstanding. Relax, and let it roll. 


09/21/14 04:40 PM #1036    

 

David Buchholz

Thanks Gail, and all of you who so proudly trumpeted the North Avondale's 1964 contribution to the betterment of the world.  Thanks, too, to the trumpets themselves.  And a last thanks (I feel like I'm accepting a statuette  on stage) to Stephen for encouraging Phil and me (I don't need any encouragement) to keep polluting the forum with his intellectual and humorous contributions and my colorful pixels.  

Sticking with the New Zealand theme...this is the South Island's Fox Glacier.  Go see it before it melts.

 


09/21/14 08:36 PM #1037    

 

Ed Seykota

Hi from Puerto Rico,

I recall attending WHHS for a few months during my sophomore year.  As such, I kind-of remember some of you - and I enjoy watching the interchanges on an as-if basis, as if I had more of a history with all of you. 

At any rate, know you have a connection in San Juan. 

I also enjoy the photos you share back and forth. Here you have one of my "photos" of the Mandelbrot Set - that takes several hours to take. I run them at 3300 x 3300 - to print at 11" x 11" at 300 dpi. I wonder what your enhancement software might do to it.




 


09/21/14 08:50 PM #1038    

 

Sandy Steele (Bauman)

What an impressive group from North Avondale. Thanks, Laura for suggesting we all read it, and thanks to Gail for posting it. Glad that I know all of the people mentioned in the article.


09/21/14 10:29 PM #1039    

 

Jeff Daum

Dave, you are right- one needs to hurry.  From when we were there (NZ):

But to also get back to the totem 'theme' wink

Me and a close friend at Mt. Cook.


09/21/14 11:43 PM #1040    

 

Nancy Messer

Ed - your explanation of how you did the photo went way above my head since I haven't been involved in photography.  I DO like the picture very much - it's fun to look at.  Keep those photos coming.


09/22/14 07:18 AM #1041    

 

Chuck Cole

Could someone post the text to the article in the Cincinnati Business Courier about the Class of 1964?  Our class has many lawayers to help us through any legal problem that posting it causes later.


09/22/14 07:40 AM #1042    

 

Jerry Ochs

Ed Seykota,

Mandelbrot.  Wasn't he the guy with the thick black glasses and pimples in the class of '65?

Here is a fuzzy shot of red bell peppers turned into an oil painting.

 


09/22/14 11:13 AM #1043    

 

David Buchholz

Jeff:  I wish you hadn't posted that photograph of the Fox Glacier.  What time of year were you there and when?  If there isn't enough proof already about global warming I submit that our two photographs be considered.  And love the Totem X two, too.

Ed, I had to go to Wikipedia to try to understand what it was that you were doing.  Now that I've read the entry I have even less of an idea.  For me I've coexisted so well with ignorance; I'd hate to give it up for something different.  BTW, I wouldn't ever call it "enhancement software", although it does do that.  What is recorded on our cameras' sensors is all the information that we need.  In an earlier essay I discussed "translation", and that is, in fact, what we're doing  I would have no idea what to do to change what you've already done, and welcome to the forum.

And I like Jerry's explanation, too.  I think Mandelbrot graduated before us, though.  In his seventies now, Mandelbot is pleased to know that his complexion, thankfully, has cleared up.  

And here, of course, is yet another translation.  This was originally a Kodachrome probably taken in the seventies, "translated" this morning into an altogether different image.


09/22/14 02:10 PM #1044    

 

Chuck Cole

I've been gazing at this photo for a while and wonder if any of us collectively can generate  a key idenifying every person in our 6th grade class.  Our 7th grade WHHS yearbook might be of help--I'll try to locate mine but some of you with better memories for faces than I might be able to just rattle off who is who.


09/22/14 03:25 PM #1045    

David R. Schneider

It has been almost two months since I have checked the message forum, although I read responses as they are

posted.  Our North Avondale group was a really special group.  Geographically, we were from 3 different areas.

The first area was east of Reading Road going towards Xavier; this is where Nancy Messer, Jim Schloss, and many others lived. This is when Xavier was a small, local college.  The next group was those of us who

lived along Clinton Springs, west towards Vine Street, up towards Mitchell and back towards Clinton Springs.

This was the Wess Park gang, the next group of streets, then Dickson, Warwick, Ardmore and Red Bud.

The last area was Beechwood, RoseHill, Avon Fields Lane. What I recall, starting on Dickson, and then moving to Beechwood, is that we were one big group.  Different grades of North Avondale kids would get together, and different grades of WHHS kids would get together as well.  One of my fond memories of Peanuts is that we rehearsed our songs in front of Diane Wiesen's house, and that this was down the street from John Marks house. Whether North Avondale, or WHHS, we were happy when our friends succeeded!

I am reading five pages of messages per day, working backwards from the most recent entries. I am totallin in awe of the excellent photos that have been posted- great job.


09/22/14 04:10 PM #1046    

 

Gail Weintraub (Stern)

Chuck, scroll to post #1033. I posted the complete Cincinnati Business Courier article. Lawyers be damned! (And, I am married to one!)


09/22/14 04:27 PM #1047    

 

Nancy Messer

Chuck - and everyone else - our sixth grade picture to the best that I can remember;

row 1 - Chuck Cole, John Singer, ?, Eugene Katona, John Osher.

row 2 - Julie Waxman, Mary Joseph, Mary Benjamin, Mary Martin, Suzi Goldhagen, Sue Waldman, Charlotte ?

row 3 - Mike Lipson, Carol Cohn, Jerry Malman, Mike Weiner, Carol Ann McGeehee (I think), Rick Steiner, ?, Sherrill Rosedale.

row 4 - Fred Mayerson, Art Shapiro, Paul Bernheimer, Nancy Messer, Diane Marcus, Sandy Woliver, Tom Kreindler.

Miss Downing and Mr. Bagnoli


09/22/14 11:07 PM #1048    

 

Philip Spiess

To jump back in posts ("So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past"):

Jerry, Richard, Ann, Stephen, et al.  (Ed Hall?  Who the hell is he?):  I may have mentioned this before somewhere in these notes, but in March, 1983, I had the honor to be the keynote speaker, at the request of the American Society of Civil Engineers [ASCE], Cincinnati branch, on the occasion of the dedication of the "Cincinnati-Covington Suspension Bridge" (Roebling's Cincinnati Suspension Bridge) as a National Historic Engineering Landmark.  The talk was given before the ASCE chapter at a dinner aboard the Ohio River stern-wheeler (now restaurant) Mike Fink, Covington, Kentucky, with the bridge lit up in the background.  I later gave an expanded talk, on Roebling's suspension bridges, with slides, at an Ohio statewide conference on "Ohio's Historic Bridges," sponsored by the Ohio Historical Society and Ohio State University.  (A text of the talk and its notes resides in the Civil and Mechanical Engineering Division of the National Museum of American History, Smithsonian Institution.)

Richard Montague:  If by "gearheads" you mean folks interested in industrial archeology (engineering, gears, and that kind of technology in general), you may refer to earlier posts where I mentioned that (in 1976) I had been the first president of the Washington chapter ("Montgomery C. Meigs Original Chapter," or MCMOC for short) of the national Society for Industrial Archeology.  When you refer to the "Ohio River Pumping Station," I assume you are referring to the Cincinnati Water Works central station on Kellogg Avenue at California, near old Coney Island, and not the Main Pumping Station on Eastern Avenue, west of Torrence Road.  Both are written up in my 1978 "The Industrial Archeology of Cincinnati, Ohio:  A Guide for S. I. A. Tourists," as are the main water reservoirs and water towers of the Cincinnati water system, most of which are so Germanically picturesque! 

 


09/23/14 12:20 AM #1049    

 

Philip Spiess

Jerry:  Basque Country -- I'm assuming that's in Spain?  In that case, it would almost seem to be, given what I see of the design, akin to Gaudi's style of architecture, but, if I recall my geography, that's a good ways across the country!  Any explanation?  As to the Cincinnati Enquirer building, I'm guessing it's still there (though I haven't been back to Cincinnati in a good while); any reason why the elephants?  (The Cincinnati Enquirer was not specifically originally Republican-oriented; I'll bet the elephant motif was Art Deco.)

Uh-oh!  The Fox Glacier does not look like good news!  But thank you two guys for documenting it!

Ed Seykota:  I'm not going to bother trying to ascertain how you did this photograph.  The result is really too much like some of the Art Deco murals in Union Terminal; it's great!

Jeff:  The totem looks like some of those in the Peabody Museum of Ethnology at Harvard University.

Jerry:  Re Red Peppers:  "Knock, knock!"  "Who's there?"  "Red!"  "Red who?"  "Red Pepper!  Ain't that a hot one?"

Okay, the 6th Grade class picture:  I can readily identify about six or more of you (but I went to Clifton School).  And there are some who look very familiar, but I can't immediately identify.  All I can say (as a former 6th Grade teacher) is, you guys are damned cute!

The recent published article on the Class of '64 is most impressive!  Congrats, all!

Thanks, David R. Schneider, for your geographical delineations of school and neighborhood areas.  These are things that often get lost in time (as they particularly change); years ago, I wrote out the strict boundaries of Clifton for the Cincinnati Historical Society (Corryville and Fairview Heights, and even Knowlton's Corner, Northside, were being called "Clifton"; as the names I've given suggests, they were not!).

Finally, folks, note my message on "What's New":  I'm going away on vacation for awhile, so my postings (no doubt from my phone) will be less; also, I have a new e-mail address, which I've posted.  As the robotic telephone lady (pre Siri) says, "Make a note of it!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


09/23/14 01:25 PM #1050    

 

Chuck Cole

Nancy--I think you did an outstanding job of identifying almost all the people in the picture.  My wife asked me who the guy was who put up rabbit ears behind Paul Bernheimer  I thought it was Artie Shapiro, who was one of my better friends then and someone whom my mother would not even let come to our house, saying he was such a bad influence on me.  

Thinking about North Avondale bneighborhoods brought to mind the many businesses that were part of our greater neighborhood, centered on Reading Road.  These inbcluded-Glueck's Pharmacy, Loretta's (where I remember going for hot chocolate after sledding at the golf course nearby when school was cancelled due to snow).  There was a little place next to Glueck's--I think it was just called Frank's (does anyone remember?) and they had fantastic french fries--a brown paper bag full of them cost 20 cents. From time to time I recall some of us walking down there during lunch break at North Avondale (we were allowed off the ground since some kids went home for lunch) and using my 26 cents to buy fries, a Hershey bar, and a piece of bubble gum. 

My brother was three years behind me at North Avondale. He told me that not too many years ago, someone organized a reunion of their North Avondale class.  Perhaps we should schedule an event during our next reunion, or right before or after, for North Avondale alumni to get together.


09/23/14 03:13 PM #1051    

 

Nancy Messer

Chuck - and all - Glueck's and Marks' pharmacies started out with lunch counters where you could get that soda or sundae you wanted.  We probably all remember the shop next to Gleuck's and the french fries - delicious.  On the other side of that shop was a pretty park to walk around in or sit and watch the people, activity, pretty trees, etc.  Loretta's had good sandwiches and Weil Funeral Home had a gorgeous lawn!


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